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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#40526: Aug 9th 2015 at 5:29:04 AM

That's not the same thing as having over a dozen different superheroes who all need to get some kind of moment to shine. Age of Ultron tried to do that well. It failed, by my standards: the character moments were weak because they went by too fast and had too little buildup and too little impact, and the fight scenes were weak because they had to be split between so many characters that they felt disjointed.

I'll be happy if it works, but at the moment I'm not confident. At the moment, weirdly, the comic book movie of 2016 that I'm most anticipating is Deadpool, which is completely outside of my usual taste in film.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#40527: Aug 9th 2015 at 5:43:46 AM

When the audience watches an Avengers movie, they expect that each of the The Avengers get a moment to shine. If you are adding new members at the same time AND four giant action set-pieces, you are naturally running out of time.

But when the audience goes into a Captain America Movie, they expect a story about Captain America and the writers know that. I guess Iron Man will get a chunk of screentime, too, because of the conflict, and then there is the need to introduce Black Panther but otherwise, I am not worried. I doubt that we will see more of Spider-man than him swinging through a frame.

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#40528: Aug 9th 2015 at 5:52:49 AM

They are going to shine in action scenes, quips, and their relationship to whatever side they pick. That's not the same as giving them their own screen time for a self contained arc or moment. Making Ant Man do something flashy, say something funny, and stick up for Captain America because Pro Registration is worst doesn't carry the same weight as giving him a moment irrelevant to the conflict. However, that does not mean everyone's characterization haults. Yes there's a lot of characters but Captain America is their sun, so don't worry that much. Once again it is not made in the same way an Avenger movie is

The movie is about accountability and so far the Avengers currently have the credibility to make people mad. Captain America is the their central figure like I said. He is at the forefront.

edited 9th Aug '15 7:34:59 AM by xbimpy

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#40529: Aug 9th 2015 at 6:08:42 AM

Winter Soldier managed to juggle quite a lot of characters successfully. You have Cap and Natasha as the main focal characters, but they also had time to devote a decent amount of screentime to Sam, Peggy, Bucky, Zola, Rumlow, Batroc, Pierce, Fury, Sharon, Hill, and Sitwell. I expect they'll do the same for Civil War.

No need to go as far as Age of Ultron did and give everyone arcs or storylines. Most of the new characters are already established, so all they need to do is take the X-Men route. Turn them into a Cast Herd for the most part but give them each something cool or memorable during the action scenes.

edited 9th Aug '15 6:16:23 AM by AlleyOop

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#40530: Aug 9th 2015 at 7:04:36 AM

Anyways, onto another note, are you guys more excited for Captain America Civil War or Doctor Strange next year.

I'm looking forward more to Doctor Strange more than Avengers 3: Civil War. It will be something new and different with a character that's not really been used outside of a few cartoon appearances.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Avengers 3 will be great, I just want to see something different.

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#40531: Aug 9th 2015 at 7:32:39 AM

I'm mostly excited for Civil War. This is the story that convinced me to start reading comics, but is also heavily flawed, and I want to see if they do a better job of it.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#40532: Aug 9th 2015 at 7:35:44 AM

I'm more excited for Civil War although I would have preferred it if they split the Civil War stuff and the Bucky stuff.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#40533: Aug 9th 2015 at 7:41:16 AM

@Geth Knight: Actually, Civil War is Captain America 3. Avengers 3 will be Infinity War Part 1.^^

"I'm mostly excited for Civil War. This is the story that convinced me to start reading comics, but is also heavily flawed, and I want to see if they do a better job of it."

Is it? Then I guess we do have at least one thing in common after all.

edited 9th Aug '15 7:42:32 AM by Theokal3

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#40535: Aug 9th 2015 at 7:49:41 AM

I've said it before but I think Civil War should have been Avengers 3 or something. If not that then just make it another movie called Civil War and let Cap have his own solo movie.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#40536: Aug 9th 2015 at 7:56:02 AM

[up][up]I suspected it was a joke but wasn't sure. So I explained just in case^^

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#40537: Aug 9th 2015 at 7:58:31 AM

So which dimensions should Dr. Strange include and should it bring out some eldritch horrors + abstract beings? The only answer I see is yes. I hope they do not go down the human vs human root. Baron Mordo better use stuff more than mundane illusions

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#40538: Aug 9th 2015 at 8:00:48 AM

I still think that the movie will be about the start of Civil war and not feature the whole conflict. Just like Winter Soldier was not about Steve searching for Bucky but discovering that Bucky is still alive while the actual main focus was the (temporary) downfall of Shield.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#40539: Aug 9th 2015 at 8:04:41 AM

Where would they explore the rest of it though? Thor is off in Asgard, Iron Man and Hulk aren't getting movies, the GOTG are in space, and the rest of the new movies we're getting are origin stories or Infinity War.

edited 9th Aug '15 8:04:49 AM by Kostya

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#40540: Aug 9th 2015 at 8:15:52 AM

I'm more excited for Dr. Strange because it will be the first time the MCU deals with non-Magitek sorcery.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#40541: Aug 9th 2015 at 8:17:49 AM

[up][up] Perhaps in Spider-man. Then there are the TV shows. And the conclusion can happen in Infinity War 1 (which is written by the same set of writers). Because, let's honest, "Thanos turns up and wants to destroy the Galaxy" is a little bit thin as a plot to last two full movies.

And who says that any of the upcoming movies is an origin story? Spider-man isn't, Black Panther will turn up before his own movie, none of the upcoming stories might be an origin story.

edited 9th Aug '15 8:20:05 AM by Swanpride

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#40542: Aug 9th 2015 at 8:18:47 AM

The Galaxy? Oh dear Swanpride, you think too small.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#40543: Aug 9th 2015 at 8:21:25 AM

[up][up][up]Loki's sorcery didn't seem like technology. Same with Mjolnir.

[up][up]It can come up but they can't make it too big of a focus without detracting from the origin stories. They can use the TV show to flesh it out but from the perspective of the movie audience it would just kind of vanish.

I think Infinity War is going to have its work cut out for it just to establish all the different characters and bring all the stones together. I'm expecting part 1 to be the Avengers trying and failing to defend multiple installations from Thanos. Then part 1 ends with him getting all 6 stones and part 2 is the Avengers and Guardians trying to find a way to stop him.

edited 9th Aug '15 8:21:35 AM by Kostya

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#40544: Aug 9th 2015 at 8:23:14 AM

[up][up][up][up]Loki uses straight up sorcery (illusions, mostly). They called it magic multiple times and, aside from the sceptre, he was never shown to depend on any machine to do his magic tricks. Not to mention the ambiguity of the Mjönir enchantment.

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edited 9th Aug '15 8:23:39 AM by Heatth

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#40545: Aug 9th 2015 at 8:23:45 AM

Eh, seems like it to me. And that's all I'll say about it because it really doesn't deserve a big argument.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#40546: Aug 9th 2015 at 8:25:16 AM

It would be nice to focus more on Magic and not Majiteck.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#40547: Aug 9th 2015 at 8:28:21 AM

What tech is Loki using though? Most of the other stuff Asgardians have is clearly some kind of machine even if it does a magical thing. From what we've seen Loki can just do these things with his mind. Heimdall also has his omniscience thing that's done without any visible eyepiece or lenses. The Asgardians definitely have advanced tech but some of the individual members have innate powers that might as well be a kind of magic.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#40548: Aug 9th 2015 at 8:29:33 AM

It was only Freya and Loki that were pure Magic. Everyone else had the sciency-magic.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#40549: Aug 9th 2015 at 8:31:51 AM

What's the science part of Heimdall's power? It seems like a natural part of his biology.

There's also Thor's storm powers but that could be the hammer.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#40550: Aug 9th 2015 at 8:34:06 AM

Heimdall's is through the use of the Bifrost, I thought.


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