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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#40426: Aug 8th 2015 at 5:46:23 PM

to be fair i don't remember his exact line. i believe he says people want someone to blame for broad societal problems, so he gave it to them, or something along those lines. i personally thought the message was pretty clear myself.

edit:

ok i found the quote i was thinking of.

Aldrich Killian: But as I looked out over that city, nobody knew I was there, nobody could see me, no one was even looking. I had a thought that would guide me for years to come. Anonymity, Tony. Thanks to you, it's been my mantra ever since, right? You simply rule from behind the scenes. Because the second you give evil a face, a Bin Laden, a Gaddafi, The Mandarin, you hand the people a target.

i think maybe "spelling it out" may not be the exact words to use, but specifically because he mentioned all those other terrorist leaders, the message seems clear to me: he created the mandarin as an easy scapegoat that society will accept as a villain because he's "foreign/exotic", so he can continue to operate as he does without detection, and serve as a commentary on how people place the blame on complex societal issues on foreigners when in reality things aren't that simple.

edited 8th Aug '15 5:56:15 PM by wehrmacht

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#40427: Aug 8th 2015 at 5:54:04 PM

So Mandarin isn't even a real word in Chinese? Then why is that the name of their language?

For the same reason "Japanese" is the name of the language and the people. Or even "Chinese". Hell, we can get get past Europe without similar cases, such as the "Dutch", the Finnish and the Hungarian. Some old people started using the word and it cached on.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#40428: Aug 8th 2015 at 5:57:39 PM

[up][up]so in short Killian mock the whole concept of the mandarín as a fear táctic, it show how bad it is

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#40429: Aug 8th 2015 at 6:01:46 PM

so its confirmed Spiderman will at least have a blue and red color scheme for one scene. http://comicbook.com/2015/08/08/what-will-spider-mans-captain-america-civil-war-costume-really-l/ well its not a surprise lol

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#40430: Aug 8th 2015 at 6:01:49 PM

[up][up] Killian wasn't mocking the concept, he was saying that the concept worked.

edited 8th Aug '15 6:01:55 PM by alliterator

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#40431: Aug 8th 2015 at 6:02:51 PM

I think that's a fine theme on its own but the previous two movies already did the whole evil American capitalist plot with Stane and Hammer. Did we really need another movie to drive home the point that Americans can be assholes too?

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#40432: Aug 8th 2015 at 6:04:06 PM

well with killian it's a little bit different because there's a commentary on fear tactics and how people use others as scapegoats due to their own xenophobia. that's not really a thing with stane or vanko.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#40433: Aug 8th 2015 at 6:04:29 PM

I agree. Too many films about Americans being assholes. Why can't we pick another set of people to be villains? Like, I dunno, Middle Eastern Islamics, or Russians, or the Chinese? No one ever calls them assholes.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#40434: Aug 8th 2015 at 6:05:36 PM

Killian isn't as derivative as people like to assume he is. Rich White Businessman with a grudge against Tony is the only similarity he has with Hammer and Stane,

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#40435: Aug 8th 2015 at 6:07:23 PM

Iron Man villains come in two flavors: rich white businessmen and stereotypes from other countries (Russian, Chinese, etc).

The only outlier in that mix is Madame Masque.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#40436: Aug 8th 2015 at 6:08:57 PM

@alliterator: it work because people are stupid and prone to judge other, that it

[up]in fact he is the one with direct beef againts stark, vanko nave something againts his father and hammer...who cares

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#40437: Aug 8th 2015 at 6:09:33 PM

[up][up]And she, apparently, is going to Agent Carter, so barring any time-travel shenanigans...

edited 8th Aug '15 6:10:12 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#40438: Aug 8th 2015 at 6:09:44 PM

[up][up][up][up]What is there to Killian's character that's not Rich White businessman? He doesn't get a lot of development.

edited 8th Aug '15 6:09:56 PM by Kostya

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Writer, Artist, Ignored
#40439: Aug 8th 2015 at 6:11:12 PM

@Wack'd, what Madame Masque can't be a legacy character?

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#40440: Aug 8th 2015 at 6:12:24 PM

[up]I suspect Marvel doesn't want too many folks with the same codename running around, to avoid the MCU getting as convoluted as the MU proper often is.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
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#40441: Aug 8th 2015 at 6:14:16 PM

Yeah in the end they could have done the whole thing about fear without resorting to another American weapons dealer who wants to sell to both sides. A motive other than "rich guy who wants to make even more money by selling weapons" would be a nice change.

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#40442: Aug 8th 2015 at 6:17:24 PM

Honestly, Iron Man 3 makes the first two feel kinda like rough drafts of a viewpoint. It comes the closest to how this sort of shit really happens: the government is scared of Party A, so they secretly bankroll Party B, and then present a public image of shock and awe when Party B suddenly starts threatening the US more tangably than Party A ever did.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#40443: Aug 8th 2015 at 6:19:57 PM

I hope they don't change the suit too much from ASM 2. That was perfect.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#40444: Aug 8th 2015 at 6:20:02 PM

Yeah in the end they could have done the whole thing about fear without resorting to another American weapons dealer who wants to sell to both sides.

Killian didn't want to sell to both sides. He wanted to sell to America, but he couldn't get the mix of Extremis right. All of the people he used kept on exploding, so he blamed terrorists using "the Mandarin." Finally, he engineered a plan to kidnap Pepper Potts in order to force Tony to fix Extremis and, at the same time, make the people and the government more afraid of terrorists, thus ensuring Extremis would be a hit.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#40445: Aug 8th 2015 at 6:24:09 PM

[up]In fact he used the other side to kept himself in the buissness, a tie-in cómic explain why war-machine wasnt in new-york: he was busy dealing with ten-ring atacks in the middle east

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#40446: Aug 8th 2015 at 6:33:21 PM

[up] That was a tie-in to Avengers, not Iron Man 3 (you know, because War Machine/Iron Patriot was in Iron Man 3). Also, the Ten Rings were an actual terrorist organization that Killian just used the imagery of (see: "All Hail the King" one-shot - hey, if you're using comic book tie-ins, I can use one-shots).

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#40447: Aug 8th 2015 at 6:43:36 PM

[up]sure? Because neither stark or rhodes know where they got their tech...or anything behind them actually and war machine end facing a tank with hammer tech in it

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#40448: Aug 8th 2015 at 6:47:37 PM

[up]...sure, they were an actual terrorist organization not funded by Killian at all? Because that's what they were. Even back in the first Iron Man when they got a bunch of their supplies from Stane.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#40449: Aug 8th 2015 at 6:49:18 PM

you know i somehow didn't make that connection.

i feel so dumb now.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#40450: Aug 8th 2015 at 6:53:03 PM

Them, why it take so long to the real slim sha...It mean the mandarín to apear? After all you have two pretender running along with your name in it

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

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