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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
No, but it might hurt her character if it isn't much more than that. And I'd be hard pressed to name an aspect if Hope's character that isn't in some way connected to Hank or Scott. The pitfalls of being a supporting character, I suppose...
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First if all I never said anything about good or bad character. I do like movie!Mystique, as a character. You keep reading things I never said.
The problem is that she perpetuates bad trends. It is a common thing in media (though less now than it have been), for women's whole in a story to be solely about their relationship with men. Again, that in itself is not bad. But within the context of the society we live in, yeah, it is a shitty thing to still be so common. That wouldn't be much of a problem if the movie X-Franchise had a wide variation of important woman. But that is not the case.
edited 8th Aug '15 1:43:11 PM by Heatth
@Heatth, late response becuase distractions but I did read the first two volumes of Runaways becuase that was all the library had and the story telling was very good. But I didn't have any easy to read the rest and like I said, I had heard that it was all downhill after that.
edited 8th Aug '15 1:58:02 PM by MousaThe14
The Blog The ArtThe thing with Mystique is that she was actually a better character before Fox spend more time on her. I mean, she started out as a competent henchmen, but she also had this great scene in the second movie in which Nightcrawler asks her why she doesn't simply hide constantly, and she said because she shouldn't have to. Great moment (maybe my favourite in all those movies). Then Fist Class rolls around and she suddenly gets turned into some sort of thing for Magneto and Professor X to fight over, culminating in a scene in which she leaves her adopted brother bleeding in the sand. Yeah, thank you for THAT. But okay, at least they established at some point along the line that she wants to be what she truly is, which is kind of a powerful message. But other than caring about her appearance and serving as object in a tug-war, she has nothing to do in the whole movie.
And then there is Do FP, in which she is again something to be used, this time by the government, and none of her actions make any sense. She just does whatever makes the best plot. They don't even address that Magneto tried to kill her, which makes it unlikely that she will ever fight with him again. Not that they addresses the betrayal in any shape in the movie. Honestly, I nearly want to go back to the underdeveloped character in X-2. That one at least had the potential to be interesting.
@Karkat and Health: Just to clarify, that wasn't sarcasm, I was genuinely asking. And I fail to see how I "keep reading things you never said".
edited 8th Aug '15 1:56:44 PM by Theokal3
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Wasn't the Iron Man Armored Adventures version of the Mandarin an Anti-Villain? That idea has potential.
edited 8th Aug '15 2:02:00 PM by Kostya
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You first claimed I implied comic!Mystique is a feminist icon, when I just said she was better on that front than movie!mystique. Than you asked about if I thought movie!Mystique was a bad character when absolutely nothing I've said about her was remotely related to her quality as a character (that wasn't the topic I wasn't discussing, and it is not even a related one).
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He was. It has great potential for a film adaptation. I had watched all of Armored Adventures like a month ago and while it still had it's unfortunate negative stereotype problems of China and stuff with a bit more tweaking the Mandarin can easily be a villain for a modern era.
It just takes good writing and nuance and someone that can work these things out in an intelligent manner. The Mandarin doesn't have to be a horrible stereotype of a bygone era with the Yellow Peril and the Cold War. It just takes work. And unfortunately it can be hard to find writers in the industry willing to put that much thought and work into what they're doing.
edited 8th Aug '15 2:08:46 PM by MousaThe14
The Blog The ArtPart of the problem with the Mandarin is that even his name is bad. It is a random Chinese word. It is there to give him a mysterious foreign name that you can just assume have some sort of sinister meaning. The character concept is so over the top bad that the movie solution is actually a good one. They made so the collection of stereotypes actually made sense in story, and it is supposed to be cringe worthy.
Of course, you can take the good parts of the character and actually do something decent with them. But it is tricky as you need to keep enough so it keeps the identity while removing all the worst aspects.
Okay.
Do you think a movie is going to be able to spend as much time?
Forever liveblogging the AvengersIt depends. They can't do it now but if they really wanted to go the Anti-Villain route with him I think they should have made him a friend and partner of Tony's from the very beginning. Then they can slowly build up to him and Tony having conflicting ideologies until movie three where he becomes an antagonistic force. It would be sort of like what the first Spider-Man trilogy did.
No, but I'm not expecting a film to put in as much time as the series did on Gene Khan, that would be ridiculous. But it's not like you need to spend an entire series or movie to prove a character isn't a racist characiture. I mean the guy could be an archaeologist that discovers the rings or a technology mogul that invented them based on alien tech, no "ancient Chinese mysticism" bent necessary. He can just be a dude.
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If I remember correctly he wears armor but it isn't power armor.
Oh. Well it looks cool from the pictures I've seen. They could always make it powered armor in a movie.
edit: I mean come on. This would look awesome in a movie.
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edited 8th Aug '15 2:50:40 PM by Kostya
The armor isn't powered in the traditional sense but it's manifested when he uses the Makluan rings, so it's part of the ancient alien tech in the rings.
Going that route would mean we would have our "Yet another armored enemy for Tony to Fight" thing only with the twist that the enemy didn't build it themselves and got it from alien rings.
The Blog The Art"Part of the problem with the Mandarin is that even his name is bad. It is a random Chinese word. It is there to give him a mysterious foreign name that you can just assume have some sort of sinister meaning. The character concept is so over the top bad that the movie solution is actually a good one. They made so the collection of stereotypes actually made sense in story, and it is supposed to be cringe worthy."
More seriously even that can be solved. You can have him be a guy fascinated in Chinese history who uses it as his motif and as such uses "Mandarin" as a codename to lead his organisation, the same way Wilson Fisk calls himself the Kingpin.
"I mean the guy could be an archaeologist that discovers the rings or a technology mogul that invented them based on alien tech, no "ancient Chinese mysticism" bent necessary. He can just be a dude."
That's basically what I suggested.
"I mean come on. This would look awesome in a movie.◊"
Definitely agreed. This is, as far as I am concerned, one of the best designs he had.

And again we already discussed the whole thing about Hope and Scott sooner.