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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#40126: Aug 7th 2015 at 3:35:13 PM

... there are die-hard Civil Wars fans?

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Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#40127: Aug 7th 2015 at 3:36:47 PM

Interesting. I was expecting Black Widow to take Cap's side after The Winter Soldier.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#40128: Aug 7th 2015 at 3:38:05 PM

do you guys think they might give a more concrete definition of what the act actually is?

i think in order for the film to work both tony and steve need to have understandable reasons for thinking the way they do that make sense as to who they are and what they've experienced, i.e there needs to be a complex question without easy answers.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#40129: Aug 7th 2015 at 3:46:27 PM

In order for the film to work or make sense they would have to make it concrete what the act is about. Hell, it should be what the film is about as a whole. Something tells me Marvel Studios isn't stupid enough enough to pull off the stupidity that was the comics Civil War.

These movies have their flaws, but at least most of them try to have a modicum of sense and consistency that a general audience can understand.

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wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#40130: Aug 7th 2015 at 3:48:10 PM

i'm pretty sure this will be better than civil war.

some of the films have been better than others, but even the films which i don't like that much (thor, incredible hulk, avengers) i consider mediocre and underwhelming rather than outright bad. plus this is being made by the same people that worked on winter soldier, so i'm sure this will be an at least decent movie.

edited 7th Aug '15 3:49:26 PM by wehrmacht

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#40131: Aug 7th 2015 at 3:53:22 PM

Interesting line-up... well, now I really don't know who to root for. Both teams have some of my favourite characters on their side.

"... there are die-hard Civil Wars fans?"

Yes, actually. I wouldn't call myself a die-hard fan, but personally I did like the original event and thought it wasn't that bad. Though I still blame it for starting an annoying thread of heroes fighting each others instead of bad guys.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#40132: Aug 7th 2015 at 4:06:40 PM

Maybe made it worse but that's always been Marvel's thing.

Namor vs Human Torch (robo version)

Avengers/Defenders War

Having Kang build a Spider-Man robot just so we could have Spider-Man fighting the Avengers.

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#40133: Aug 7th 2015 at 4:17:26 PM

[up]Sorry, I meant heroes fighting each others in group for AN ENTIRE FRIGGIN' STORY ARC. What you're describing were more cases of Let's You and Him Fight, right?

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#40134: Aug 7th 2015 at 4:20:29 PM

[up]Which honestly wasn't all that great of an idea either, as they tended to happen more due to potential '$$$' signs rather than actual common sense. Say what you will about most of DC's Silver Age & early Bronze Age output, but at least they usually didn't have their heroes fighting each other for no good reason.

edited 7th Aug '15 4:20:45 PM by kkhohoho

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#40135: Aug 7th 2015 at 4:28:14 PM

Avengers/Defenders war was an arc.

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#40136: Aug 7th 2015 at 4:32:54 PM

[up][up]Well at least they were short.

[up]Was it? Just curious what was the reason for the fight?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#40137: Aug 7th 2015 at 4:40:44 PM

Loki tricked them into fighting each other after tricking the Defenders into collecting the Evil Eye for DREAD DORMAMU.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#40138: Aug 7th 2015 at 4:44:04 PM

Also, there was this whole thing called Avengers vs. X-Men.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#40139: Aug 7th 2015 at 4:46:08 PM

[up][up]And Iron Man and Thor discovered each others' secret identities before them having SID's was no longer a thing. Just felt I should point that out.tongue

edited 7th Aug '15 4:46:21 PM by kkhohoho

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#40140: Aug 7th 2015 at 4:47:02 PM

...why the hell is Natasha on Tony's side???? I mean, with the evolution of her character in the MCU, you'd expect that she'd be firmly in Cap's corner.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#40141: Aug 7th 2015 at 4:47:47 PM

Guess we won't know until we learn what the conflict is about

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#40142: Aug 7th 2015 at 4:48:07 PM

@Allit:

Also, there was this whole thing called Avengers vs. X-Men.

We just pretend that never happened. For the Professor's sake.

edited 7th Aug '15 4:49:54 PM by kkhohoho

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#40143: Aug 7th 2015 at 4:49:08 PM

"Loki tricked them into fighting each other after tricking the Defenders into collecting the Evil Eye for DREAD DORMAMU."

Then I assume the arc ended with the two groups realizing they had been tricked and teaming up to defeat Loki. Which is a more appreciable ending than the likes of AvX.

edited 7th Aug '15 4:49:22 PM by Theokal3

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#40144: Aug 7th 2015 at 4:49:19 PM

1) Take those "spoilers" with a huge grain of salt.

2) Take those "spoilers" with a massive grain of salt.

3) Just...don't believe those "spoilers."

Listen: before The Winter Soldier came out, I found myself reading about the music soundtrack list for the movie, which apparently gave away some huge spoilers. Like how Alexander Pierce was actually the Red Skull! And how Iron Man would receive a distress signal from Peter Quill in the stinger!

So yeah. Don't believe those spoilers at all until you are sitting in the theater and watching the actual movie.

@Allit:We just pretend that never happened. For the Professor's sake.

He ded.

edited 7th Aug '15 4:49:42 PM by alliterator

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#40145: Aug 7th 2015 at 4:53:58 PM

[up][up] The fight ended when the two sides stopped fighting for more than five seconds to actually communicate. But DREAD DORMAMU got the Evil Eye anyway, merged his realm with Earth, and got taken down by the Scarlet Witch in the end.

Loki ended up suffering amnesia and mentally regressed to a child and Thor pledged to care for him but instead dumped him off in the country at the first available opportunity.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#40146: Aug 7th 2015 at 4:59:10 PM

Loki ended up suffering amnesia and mentally regressed to a child and Thor pledged to care for him but instead dumped him off in the country at the first available opportunity.

Huh. The next time Loki would become a child would be much more successful. Kind of.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#40147: Aug 7th 2015 at 5:10:57 PM

[up][up]Oh, so that's Conflic Ball basically^^' Yeah I do always find it annoying when you are left with the feeling the characters could solve the conflict by just talking like adults. At least World War Hulk had a good reason why Hulk couldn't be reasonned with. Though none of that crap would have happened to begin with had the Iluminati not thought launching him to space was a good idea...

[up]Funny, I noticed the similarity too. Guess Thor learnt from the mistake.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#40148: Aug 7th 2015 at 5:19:24 PM

If those rosters are true (that's a bit IF) Widow could be the double agent mentioned.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#40149: Aug 7th 2015 at 5:24:06 PM

It should be pointed out the source in question is Umberto Gonzalez, who's been outright wrong on several incidents, so I don't take it seriously to begin with. But he's been right in the past, and I think he was one of the first people to mention the Bruce/Natasha romance in AOU right when shooting started.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#40150: Aug 7th 2015 at 5:30:00 PM

He's extremely hit or miss. He called that and also released the first official Civil War promo art, but at the same time, he was the one who for like two years kept telling everyone that Age of Ultron ended with Hulk being launched into space, which would then lead to Planet Hulk and World War Hulk movies.


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