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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#40101: Aug 7th 2015 at 8:16:34 AM

Discussing specific problems with the movie and how that could make it fail is more suited to the FF thread though.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#40102: Aug 7th 2015 at 8:32:33 AM

Doctor Strange once summoned Cthulhu to kill the Justice League.

They probably won't do that in the movie though. Eldritch things are hard to filmify well.

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#40103: Aug 7th 2015 at 8:34:38 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] Granted. But Wolverine and the X-Men are, at least, tried and tested moneymakers. Whereas the Fantastic Four, as you yourself noted, have never had that much success in cinemas, and if this movie doesn't make big money, it's difficult to imagine its sequel doing so, with the added weight of its predecessor's negative buzz.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#40104: Aug 7th 2015 at 8:38:45 AM

I have the feeling that the negotiations are mostly about what kind of licence Fox will get for the X-men. As much as Marvel is interested in getting the Fantastic 4 properties back, I doubt that they will ever again sign any contract which will potentially keep any rights out of their hands permanently. Whatever they figure out, it will have a set expire date.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#40105: Aug 7th 2015 at 8:40:37 AM

I think that's highly unlikely. The X-Men have been a big moneymaker for Fox so there's really no need for them to agree to an expiration date.

Certainly not for a TV show. A TV show could potentially be a success but even if it's a huge hit it's not gonna justify sacrificing their big movie franchise over. The amount of cash in play for a show vs. a blockbuster movie is incredibly different.

edited 7th Aug '15 8:41:04 AM by comicwriter

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#40106: Aug 7th 2015 at 8:47:46 AM

Even X-Men Origins: Wolverine failed to be a Franchise Killer. Hell, that movie got a sequel.

Considering The Wolverine had only one extremely easy-to-miss Continuity Nod to Origins Wolverine (a line from Logan's dead wife in a quick flashback, I think), I wouldn't consider it a "sequel." It's more like a different, mostly unrelated X-Men spinoff that just also happens to star Wolverine. I mean, Wolverine's been in every single X-Men movie so far and was a prominent character in all but one of them, anyways.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#40107: Aug 7th 2015 at 8:59:59 AM

"Madame Masque will be the Big Bad of Agent Carter Season 2."

Shame. I wanted her in an Iron Man movie.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#40108: Aug 7th 2015 at 9:01:40 AM

[up][up][up] I was talking about the TV rights for the X-men only. The movie rights are another matter. Marvel will sit this one out, I guess.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#40109: Aug 7th 2015 at 9:38:33 AM

Even X-Men Origins: Wolverine failed to be a Franchise Killer. Hell, that movie got a sequel.

Was anything that happened in X-Men Origins ever acknowledged in The Wolverine?

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#40110: Aug 7th 2015 at 9:48:40 AM

[up]I don't know, was it even aknowledged in any X-Men movie, really?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#40111: Aug 7th 2015 at 9:56:37 AM

DOFP apparently retcons it

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spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#40112: Aug 7th 2015 at 10:00:14 AM

[up][up][up]There was a blink-and-you'll-miss-it Continuity Nod in The Wolverine and Days of Future Past. Also, I guess the fact that Wolverine has bone claws in those movies is arguably done so as not to blatantly contradict Origins Wolverine.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#40113: Aug 7th 2015 at 11:08:24 AM

It's been established since the first film that the metal on Logan's bones wasn't part of his natural mutation though. Logan having bone claws in The Wolverine and Do FP could be more about the first trilogy.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#40114: Aug 7th 2015 at 11:21:05 AM

There is a single scene in DOFP referencing it. When Charles (young Charles) scans Logan's memories and sees how horrendously shitty his life has been, there's a quick Freeze-Frame Bonus of Sabretooth crushing his bone claws.

The ending of DOFP pretty clearly takes it out of canon though, except possibly in Broad Strokes.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#40115: Aug 7th 2015 at 11:35:06 AM

[up][up]There's nothing in the original trilogy implying Logan has bone-claws, though (at least as far as I can remember). The point is, the filmmakers could've blatantly contradicted Wolverine Origins by having Logan have no claws before the adamantium and including no flashbacks to it, but they didn't.

So Wolverine Origins is still canon to the old timeline, but it obviously won't be canon to the new timeline outside of Deadpool making some jokes at its expense.

edited 7th Aug '15 11:35:28 AM by spashthebandragon

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#40116: Aug 7th 2015 at 11:35:44 AM

I wouldn't even bother to think about it. If there is anything Fox doesn't care about it's continuity.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#40117: Aug 7th 2015 at 2:36:21 PM

Rumored lineup of the teams for Civil War. It's different from the one mentioned by Joblo who has been otherwise right, but Joblo did mention their lineup wasn't final.

As usual, take with a Dead Sea of salt, but interesting that Natasha is on Iron Man's side after her character development in Winter Soldier, or that Wanda would take a particular side (she hates Tony, but supporting registration could be seen as her way of atonement for the Hulk's rampage). Also interesting that Spidey matters enough to even be considered part of a team.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#40118: Aug 7th 2015 at 2:43:00 PM

I feel like Hawkeye and Widow should be switched.

edit: I'd also prefer it if Scott was a neutral party that just helped Cap and Falcon out.

edited 7th Aug '15 2:43:54 PM by Kostya

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#40119: Aug 7th 2015 at 2:44:01 PM

S During the making of the oriignal triology bone claws weren't even a thing in the comics right? It was believed that the claws were put there by Weapon X to give him an offensive edge? Also it was through that Logans bones had been replaced, not infused, with adimantium.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

It would have been easy for The Wolverine and or Days of Future Past to say 'nope, no bone claws' but those two films along with Origins have only recently cemented bone claws as a solid part of the mythology.

Also, I remember being surprised during Do FP to see that Logan's memories of Weapon X looked a lot more like the X2 flash backs than the Origins take on it. I choose to believe that the alternative interpretation is simply how Logan rememberes it with his reconstructed memories.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#40120: Aug 7th 2015 at 2:44:20 PM

I mostly don't buy Natasha in Tony's team for anything other than spying on him. She is constantly struggling with what is the right thing herself and I would expect her to trust Steve's judgement more than Tony's. (hopefully they don't come up with some "she stays for bruce" nonsense...the faster they gloss over that stupid romance the better).

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#40121: Aug 7th 2015 at 2:45:54 PM

@Kostya I first though that Hawkeye made more sense with Tony, too, but then I reconsidered. If this is about not allowing the Superheroes to have any kind of secrets, then he has a whole family to think of. Same for Ant-man.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#40122: Aug 7th 2015 at 2:48:03 PM

Metal over bone claws never made sense.

The metal claws are thin, like knives.

The bone ones are more rounded. Like curvy pencils.

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#40123: Aug 7th 2015 at 2:50:51 PM

I have to admit, though I have faith they can make it work, I don't know how I'd write so much into one movie without making it devolve into a complete clusterfuck.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#40124: Aug 7th 2015 at 3:01:47 PM

[up][up][up] Right after Civil War was originally announced Feige already confirmed the movie's SHRA is NOT about superhero secret identities, but about accountability to the rest of their world for their actions. Especially because none of the movie heroes have secret identities, which he explicitly acknowledged. Hawkeye might still be worried about his family, but not because the movie is about what you just described. And the official Marvel summary of the film indicates that's still true.

I literally have to explain the above to someone new every other day. Sometimes it's to haters who want an excuse to continue bashing the film, sometimes it's to diehard CW fans who expect the movie to be a 100% faithful adaptation and get upset when they find out it isn't, sometimes it's to people who didn't or actively refuse to do any sort of research, and so on.

But just to repeat: the crux of movie Civil War is NOT about unmasking. That means no Nitro, no New Warriors, (most likely) no dramatic Spider-Man unmasking, no Negative Zone prison, no Clor, no One More Day, etc. Sorry for the rudeness but it's really getting on my nerves.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#40125: Aug 7th 2015 at 3:10:51 PM

[up]I know that it is not about Secret Identities, but it might be about registration. Perhaps about the kind of registration which forces you to reveal if you have an offspring.

edited 7th Aug '15 3:12:14 PM by Swanpride


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