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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
From the sounds of it, it started out decent but came out around the point when Marvel started to shift the Ultimate verse from being a modern reimagining of the 616-verse to being the "No more Plot Armor" version, which culminated in Johnny being killed and Reed becoming Doctor Doom.
i haven't read the run in question but i've seen a few pages. it is true that reed eventually becomes a supervillain calling himself "the maker"
◊. he also
attempted to take over the world and it was pretty creepy.
edited 6th Aug '15 5:11:45 PM by wehrmacht
Fun fact: Matt Fraction's run retcons Ben into sabotaging Doom's machine out of petty hatred for him.
Sometimes, it seems that writers give Doom the Draco In Leather Pants treatment and act like it makes him more complex.
edited 6th Aug '15 5:13:46 PM by windleopard
@Tuckerscreator: I am aware of this actually, but I assumed there was some reason people disliked it before this. I mean, all of this happened after Ultimatum, and that event pretty much destroyed/ruined about half of the Ultimate Universe so it's not like UF 4 was an isolated case.
I read the first volume of Ultimate Fantastic Four.
I mostly remember thinking 'geez mole man is gross why'd you make him so gross ugh stop having close ups on him'
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI don't think anyone actually hates it. The thing is, the book was simply not very good. It was mostly unremarkable. People just didn't read it. At last Ultimates and Ultimate X-Men had strong ideas that many people either hated or loved. UFF, however, was just kinda forgettable.
Nah. UFF is older than that. Eventually that is what happened with the team, sure, but that is not the reason people don't like the book. Hell, I am pretty sure the book had already been canceled by the time this happened. At one point, Johnny went to the Spider-Man and then X-Men books precisely because no one was doing anything with him.
edited 6th Aug '15 5:42:50 PM by Heatth
I'd be willing to claim the closest thing to what Ultimate!Reed became is an Eldritch Abomination.
You know, like Nyarlathotep.
edited 6th Aug '15 6:05:08 PM by ultimatepheer
So... Ultimate Reed destroyed a parallel world just to win a bet?
edited 6th Aug '15 6:04:29 PM by kkhohoho
@Theokal, What Heatth said. I didn't continue Ultimate FF because it was just unremarkable. It wasn't the worst thing in the world, just not worth continuing and on occasion was outright unpleasant (see: Ultimate Mad Thinker).
So I stopped. I mean I stopped caring for it before all the ACTUAL awful stuff happened.
Also, I apparently have Ultimate FF to blame for making Marvel Zombies a thing so I have that reason to genuinely hate it rather than just be indifferent.
The Blog The ArtWhat was Ultimate Mad Thinker like?
I assume worse than Ultimate Mole Man, who as established was kind of really gross.
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If you remember the Mad Thinker from Iron Man Armored Adventures, she was based off of Ultimate Mad Thinker.
But unlike the armored adventures version Ultimate Mad Thinker was running around killing people and then adding their brain matter into her own to make herself smarter and giver herself this grotesque appearance.
What didn't help was the really awful crappy art style that made her look more awful. That was where I believe I stopped reading because a change to a crappier art can really turn me off in addition to general bleh-ness.
I mean one can mark the decline in the storytelling of Ultimate a Spider-man to when they switched from the amazing Mark Bagley to the truly awful Stuart Immounen. It wasn't a cause obviously but it was an unusually well timed visual cue.
The Blog The ArtWait, seriously?
Heh. Yes. Read Captain America and the Mighty Avengers. It's pretty awesome.
As for Ultimate Fantastic Four, the reason it didn't really do well is due to multiple factors. The first being that Mark Millar wrote a bunch of it and Greg Land drew a bunch of it. Millar's writing is...okay, I guess, but he kind of fucked up Namor. And Land just copied from other people a lot — and every time you saw Sue Storm, you knew he was copying from porn.
The best parts of Ultimate Fantastic Four are written by Warren Ellis, actually, even if he did give Doom goat legs. Their encounter and fight against Nihil was amazing. And then the Ultimate Extinction trilogy was awesome.
Eventually, Jonathan Hickman turned Ult Reed Richards into a genocidal supervillain called the Maker. It was actually a clever twist, although at this point, he's kind of worn out his welcome.
edited 6th Aug '15 8:41:58 PM by alliterator
So, I came across this image of what appears to be the Doctor Strange concept art
◊. Not sure if it's legit or not.
If it is, then I can't say that I'm too keen on the Badass Longcoat (I've always been more fond of Stephen wearing a cape), but it does look pretty cool otherwise (I think the one on the left is my favorite). And he appears to not have a goatee after all. Straight-up Badass Mustache!

Wow, that spoilered thing is, like, really impressive. The Living Tribunal is normally considered to be the second most powerful entity in the marvel multiverse.
What's this I hear about the beyonders actually being Doom and Richards?