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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
The Phoenix Five had a chance to do things, though. They were threatening the U.N. into submission to declare an end to war under penalty of retribution, terraforming the Earth, mandatorily mind-raping trauma victims, using Limbo as a prison for political enemies, and noticeably not repowering mutants, which had been their entire motivation to begin with. They were drunk on power and YMMV on how positive or negative their influence was, and the power they were drunk on stemmed from a cosmic force bent on annihilating the planet.
In short, while there were many reasons available to support the Phoenix Five, there were also many reasons to oppose them. For Doom, no argument could even be made one way or another because they never even had a chance to see Doom's new world. They already made up their minds to depose him before they even left the facility their ship was housed in.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Because I am getting really sick of the repeated assertions that they're only worth reacquiring for their rogues gallery.
I like the entire Fantastic Four, even Reed.
While I'm not against their Rouges Gallery showing up in the MCU, I'm not of the opinion the Marvel Cinematic Universe would benefit from them.
I love the individual members of the Fantastic Four and feel that they are all great characters in their own right.
It's the team itself that is less than the sum of its parts. Johnny's great when he's kicking it with Spider-Man and being a super-celebrity, Ben's awesome as an Avenger, Reed's the definitive super-scientist of the Marvel Universe, and Sue is fantastic as both one of the most powerful superhumans in the Marvel U and an action mom.
But as a team, their adventures are just dull. As with Doom, they play off other characters much better than off each other.
edited 6th Aug '15 8:49:52 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.If the MCU does get the Fantastic Four back, they don't need to make another movie for them. Hell, if the current movie is as bad as it is, even squatting on the rights beats running the name into the ground with more bad movies. I've always thought the FF make for better support cast than main stars nowadays.
As for Fox's treatment of the X-Men property, they've been doing a good job (for the most part). I'm not a mindless Marvel fangirl who thinks the MCU can do no wrong, so I don't think they should be in a rush to get the rights back, or that it would even be a good idea to do so. It's unfortunate that most of the interesting diverse characters are tied up with Fox as a result, but the X-Men's presence causes more problems for MCU continuity than good. Can't say I agree with the way Marvel's decided to marginalize them in the merchandise though.
edited 6th Aug '15 8:53:37 AM by AlleyOop
For Doom, no argument could even be made one way or another because they never even had a chance to see Doom's new world.
Honestly, "Doom is God" is all that's needed to show them how messed up the world is. But even if they had seen it, what then? "Oh, look, a giant wall separating the rest of Battleworld from zombies, Ultrons, and the Annihilation Wave! Wait, Doom is God, why hasn't he just gotten rid of all of them? Oh, look a land of Hulks! Wait, why hasn't Doom cured them? Oh, look, the sun! Wait, where's Johnny?"
Honestly, their first instincts that this world was bad (well, most of it) are spot on.
And it's not like they attacked Doom outright. Reed even congratulated him on saving this piece of the Multiverse! But Strange knew that none of them would bend their knees towards Doom, so Doom would kill them, so that's why he scattered them.
edited 6th Aug '15 9:06:04 AM by alliterator
The Avengers decided to oppose the Phoenix Five before all of that happened. Black Panther Beast even made a whole speech about it in AvX#6. The P5 explicitly didn't do anything wrong before the Avengers decided to oppose them.
In fairness, they've seen Doom gain godlike powers and take over the world before. It doesn't go well. Or it goes super well until he gets bored of it. When your godlike will is the only thing holding together the last scraps of existance, you don't want to get bored of it.
I really want to see MCU Hank in a scene like that.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersIt'd be cool if the FF were dedicated supporting characters to the verse as a whole, rather than any individual movies - so they and their mythos have a role in lots of future MCU plots but don't have their own solo movie. That's something that imo the MCU should've started doing a long time ago, but the FF is as good a place to start with it as any.
A way they could explain their absence could be to say that they have no interest in the rest of the MCU's heroics and politics and/or were off in space of the Antimatter universe or something.
edited 6th Aug '15 10:36:14 AM by KnownUnknown
Honestly, I feel like the whole Alien Space Bats thing the X-Men currently have going on would've been a far better fit for the Four.
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.So I'm on IGN and I would say 90% of these commentators are dumbfounded to hear that Dr. Strange will be "trippy" and "dark"... Why do some people find it hard to believe Marvel can't pull off a cosmic horror story when obviously that is the only option Dr. Strange leaves? I am sick of the "Marvel is all jokes, they can't do dark" even though they just said it's inspired by Fantasia.
Who'd have thought a movie called "Dr. Strange" would be strange?
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.I'd actually be disappointed if Doctor Strange wasn't trippy. With all the times they've mentioned Ditko when discussing the movie, it seems like a no-brainer.
What really worries me, though, is that he's apparently gonna have a goatee. It's not a dealbreaker, obviously, but I think the mustache is pretty iconic for Strange.
edited 6th Aug '15 1:14:45 PM by DrFurball
There was a Fantastic Four spinoff I read, I think it was Fantastic Four Unplugged? It dealt with stuff going on in the main book, Mr Fantastic missing, presumed dead.
There was a really good issue where Ben and Sue attend the reading of Reed's will and Ben obviously is not having a good day but some of Reed's stuff going to people who Ben doesn't think deserves it (including his class ring to Doom, I think) makes him flip his shit and the table.
Sue shuts him down and shows that the last bestowal was the old championship football that Ben had given Reed back when they were in college and Ben had no idea that Reed had even cared enough to keep it.
And he starts blubbering and apologizing for making things hard on Sue.
It was a pretty good story.
Which is an excessively WORDS way of saying that I've seen Fantastic Four stuff that I liked.
edited 6th Aug '15 1:16:36 PM by Bocaj
Forever liveblogging the Avengers

At last they are consistent. That is exactly the same reaction the Avengers had about the Phoenix Five.
edited 6th Aug '15 8:41:01 AM by Heatth