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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39801: Aug 3rd 2015 at 10:05:44 AM

I get it. You always want your parents to be proud of you and him constantly insisting to use someone else made her think that he didn't believe in her and didn't trust her. It kind of paralleled the feelings for Ross, who also felt betrayed because Hank didn't tell him the truth.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#39802: Aug 3rd 2015 at 11:54:03 AM

[up][up]Yeah, these comments confuse me. We clearly saw a dozen of bullets missing before hitting the mark. That is hardly a result of good aim. It felt more like sheer bad luck.

I thought it was referring to the fact that he hit Antony, the ant that Scott was riding on. And he was aiming for Scott.

But then, I also think he was firing blindly and didn't have a clue where Scott was.

What makes me scratch my head is how Yellowjacket (Cross?) managed to pull out the suit, enlarge it, and put it on within the time it took for Scott to get back in the helicopter.

Its not like the Iron Man suit, or is it? It must be with how quickly he pulled it on.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#39803: Aug 3rd 2015 at 5:27:18 PM

Yeah, he equipped that in what, five seconds?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#39804: Aug 3rd 2015 at 5:50:31 PM

He was very motivated obviously.

Combined with being bug-fuck crazy at that point.

You'd be surprised what you are capable of when you want someone dead badly enough.

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Prowler I'm here for our date, Rose! Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
I'm here for our date, Rose!
#39805: Aug 3rd 2015 at 6:00:01 PM

Hadn't Scott already put on his own suit insanely fast a couple of times by that point? Granted, I guess it didn't have robo-laser-arms and stuff.

(It could also be chalked up to a bad edit.)

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#39806: Aug 3rd 2015 at 6:53:29 PM

Yeah, remember in the cell when the ants gave Scott 10 seconds to put the suit on?

No fucking way. Even I noticed that.

edited 3rd Aug '15 6:53:46 PM by edvedd

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#39807: Aug 3rd 2015 at 6:58:31 PM

My head cannon for that is that they were lying, they deliberately rushed him by pretending it was 10 seconds then did a slow countdown.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#39808: Aug 3rd 2015 at 8:10:56 PM

You know, I respect Hugo Weaving as an actor, but thinking about his thoughts on not returning to the MCU, or the Transformers films...

It's strange when Michael Bay of all people makes a good point (quote from his page on TF Wiki Dot Net):

Do you ever get sick of actors that make $15 million a picture, or even $200,000 for voiceover work that took a brisk one hour and 43 minutes to complete, and then complain about their jobs? With all the problems facing our world today, do these grumbling thespians really think people reading the news actually care about trivial complaints that their job wasn’t “artistic enough” or “fulfilling enough”?

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#39809: Aug 3rd 2015 at 8:28:58 PM

Do they ask for people to care?

I'm really asking, have any of said actors asked for people to care or get upset in their behalf? They don't want to take the job, that's their choice. Have they even complained? Explaining that you don't want to come back is not complaining.

Also that's a strait up Appeal to Worse Problems there.

edited 3rd Aug '15 8:33:38 PM by Silasw

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wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#39810: Aug 3rd 2015 at 8:35:43 PM

actors need to eat too, and that means sometimes taking roles they may not find very interesting or artistically fulfilling. are they not allowed to dislike certain roles they may have played in films even if they are not bad off financially? it doesn't have anything to do with how well-off they are and isn't necessarily even complaining.

the above is kind of irrelevant though because i'm not sure exactly what weaving said. has he actually complained or has he just said he doesn't want to return?

edited 3rd Aug '15 8:37:35 PM by wehrmacht

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#39811: Aug 3rd 2015 at 8:44:24 PM

He didn't complain, I think, he just said that he didn't want to return to play the Red Skull again. Actually, wait, here's the full quote:

"I [signed a multi-picture deal] for Captain America. I think the tendency, with those films, would be to probably not bring a villain back. They might for The Avengers, but I didn’t think I’d be in Captain America 2 or 3. I don’t think Red Skull will be there. And it’s not something I would want to do again. I’m glad I did it. I did sign up for a number of pictures and I suppose, contractually, I would be obliged to, if they forced me to, but they wouldn’t want to force someone to do it, if they didn’t want to. I think I’ve done my dash with that sort of film. It was good to do it and try it out, but to be honest, it’s not the sort of film I seek out and really am excited by. As an actor, to do all sorts of different films is great. It stretches you in different ways. But, I increasingly like to go back to what I used to always do, which is to get involved with projects that I really have a personal affiliation with."

So it was basically: I tried it and didn't like it. No big.

edited 3rd Aug '15 8:45:29 PM by alliterator

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#39812: Aug 3rd 2015 at 8:49:26 PM

You played a bald super-Nazi with a burnt-ass face who was actually a physical match for Captain motherf'cking America.

"I was bored with the role."

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Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#39813: Aug 3rd 2015 at 8:51:49 PM

Different people have different tastes. It happen.

After reading that I really do hope he is not back ever. He sincerely believes Marvel wouldn't force him to if he doesn't want to, so I want it to be true.

edited 3rd Aug '15 8:54:52 PM by Heatth

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#39814: Aug 3rd 2015 at 8:55:55 PM

Yeah, or at least, if he does come back I hope it's because he wanted to.

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wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#39815: Aug 3rd 2015 at 8:57:01 PM

You played a bald super-Nazi with a burnt-ass face who was actually a physical match for Captain motherf'cking America. "I was bored with the role."

not everyone is a fan of super action "light fun" blockbuster films, whether they be the audience or the actors/film-makers themselves.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#39816: Aug 3rd 2015 at 8:57:25 PM

It's fun in that he gets to go full ham, but it's not particularly demanding acting-wise.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#39817: Aug 3rd 2015 at 8:57:51 PM

I think it would be very easy to get the Red Skull a new body. After all, in the comics, he swaps bodies every so often anyway.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#39818: Aug 3rd 2015 at 9:00:23 PM

Is Reb Brown still alive? Give him six months to get in shape. Boom, new Red Skull.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#39819: Aug 3rd 2015 at 9:01:41 PM

I wonder how Weaving would feel about doing Bettany-esque voiceovers for a possessed Lukin or any other similar situation.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#39820: Aug 3rd 2015 at 9:09:39 PM

I still say they should do the whole Dell Rusk angle and have the President we see from Iron Man 3 on turn out to be Skull in disguise.

Though given the twist they already did with HYDRA, that might be repeating themselves.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#39821: Aug 3rd 2015 at 9:12:04 PM

The quote says he likes to do work where he has a "personal affiliation", I'd rather hope he doesn't have any kind of personal affiliation with being a crazy space Nazi who beats up Captain America.

edited 3rd Aug '15 9:14:11 PM by Silasw

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#39822: Aug 3rd 2015 at 9:13:10 PM

They should just use a new actor. Weaving doesn't seem to care about the role all that much so I doubt he'll be upset if they just replace him. The Red Skull has switched bodies several times in the comics so the change wouldn't be that odd.

[up]Wait, so he has a personal affiliation with a 40 foot tall genocidal alien robot?

edited 3rd Aug '15 9:14:26 PM by Kostya

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#39823: Aug 3rd 2015 at 9:30:36 PM

I get where Michael Bay is coming from, but I can't find it in me to care about Money, Dear Boy unless I didn't like the performance.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#39824: Aug 3rd 2015 at 9:31:13 PM

He probably watched in his youth.

Everybody wanted to be Megatron......so they could become Galvatron and blow up Starscream.cool

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#39825: Aug 3rd 2015 at 9:34:19 PM

Doesn't Bay have a rep as being a pain to work with though? Because if that's the case then maybe actors aren't not coming back because they are rich toffs to want their artistic vision to happen, but instead they're not coming back because he's a pain to work with?

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