Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules
still apply.
- This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
- While mild digressions are okay, discussion of the comic books should go in this thread
. Extended digressions may be thumped as off-topic.
- Spoilers for new releases should not be discussed without spoiler tagging for at least two weeks. Rather, each title should have a dedicated thread where that sort of conversation is held. We can mention new releases in a general sense, but please be courteous to people who don't want to be spoiled.
If you're posting tagged spoilers, make sure that the film or series is clearly identified outside the spoiler tagging. People need to know what will be spoiled before they choose to read the post.
Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Hell, wait a few years and have old(er comparatively) Garfield or Maguire Spider-Man die in the opening minutes of a Miles Morales movie.
"If you strike me down, MCU-adaptation of Morlun played by a buff Robert Pattinson, I'll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
"That is a reference. And now welcome to die."
"I wish we were adapting the Other, blarg!"
The Chitauri Invasion is the elephant in the room for establishing pre-existing superheroes. Where was X during the invasion?
One acceptable answer is, "Not in New York." That's why Rhodey gets a pass. The Invasion didn't last very long, maybe a few hours at the most. If you're in California or Russia or the moon, you aren't going to get there in time to be involved in the events.
Another good answer is, "Retired." That's where Pym and Falcon were when it happened. They weren't actively superheroes when it happened. Falcon didn't even have any of his gear, because his superheroing was done as part of his military service, and he didn't get to keep the Falcon suit.
Two of Spider-Man's defining character traits, however, are his position in New York and his unwillingness to not get involved in something. It doesn't matter if it's a bank robbery, an alien attack, demons from Hell, etc. if it's happening and he's nearby, it's his business. Thus, if Spider-Man existed during Avengers 1, he would have been part of Avengers 1.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub."I have... to lift this giant pile of stuff... have to summon all my strength... New York will be destroyed if I can't do this thing I'm known for... I-I did it, I'm free!"
"Sorry Spidey, the invasion is over. The Avengers stopped it."
"Who?"
Plus it is pretty much part of the mythology of the MCU that up to the point when Iron Man started flying around, there weren't officially any Superheroes around because the general population was shielded (pun intended) from all the really odd stuff, and that the incident in New York was a paradigm shift for everyone. That's why they made such a big point in Ant-man that he was believed to be a myth which mostly went around spy agencies.
Of course, by the time a new Spider-Man movie comes out in 2017, The Avengers will have happened five years ago. If they wanted to, there's plenty of room to have Peter active as Spider-Man for a long while prior to the start of his movie.
I still maintain a TV series would be a better fit for Spider-Man, though, and with some of the effects I'm seeing in modern TV shows, doing web-slinging on a TV budget might actually be feasible.
![]()
Right. The timing is only an issue if we were to do what some in this thread are advocating and do the same treatment of Peter as Pym got: skip right to Miles and have Peter be his well-established mentor figure who, after having been Spider-Man for many, many years, is now passing the torch to the new kid.
If Spider-Man had been around for 10-15 years, we would have heard of him by now. It's a bit of a cop-out to try and say he's been there but was just offscreen and conveniently never mentioned any of the times it would have been appropriate to see or hear about him.
edited 2nd Aug '15 9:28:48 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I agree that I'd have preferred TV Spider-Man, especially after Daredevil showed how well street level heroes can be done. He's lost his theater luster, and with all the other MCU films raising the stakes his might come off as trite in comparison. The perils of Serial Escalation I guess.
I like Peter a little more than Miles simply because his age means he's got a better side cast and more interesting stories under his belt than Miles yet, but he's more than well established enough from the older Sony films that they don't really need more than one entry at most before they introduce Miles. They don't necessarily have to kill MCU Peter off for Miles to work either.
edited 2nd Aug '15 9:31:32 AM by AlleyOop
If there have been publicly active superheroes since the sixties, Thor's arrival and the Chitauri Invasion wouldn't have been as world-shattering.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.![]()
![]()
![]()
![]()
Eh, people are advocating Peter Parker should be around before Miles because, in the comics, Miles was heavily influenced by Peter's death. However, in comics, Peter wasn't around for 10-15 years. He was around for, like, 2 years or so.
Lets say that he just came into existence now. Ant-Man is the first time we heard of him because it is the first time a movie takes place after he debuted. By the time the Spider-Man movie is scheduled to be released, he would have been around just about as much time as Ultimate Peter Parker had when he died to inspire Miles.
edited 2nd Aug '15 9:36:12 AM by Heatth
That only really works if we're planning to introduce Peter by killing him off, though, and that seems like a waste of a perfectly good character.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Have Peter not exist in the first place. In-universe, Peter could be a made-up superhero created by comic book companies and film studios, in order to have their own "real" superhero to capitalise on. "Peter Parker" would be an actor paid off to pretend to be a superhero for the purpose of giving their outrageous stories credibility. Miles Morales is inspired by the in-universe Spider-Man media phenomenon, and is disappointed when he finds out it's Based on a Great Big Lie.

They didn't have to do a Hank Pym "Ant-Man" movie before they could get to Scott Lang, now did they?