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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39626: Jul 31st 2015 at 11:18:46 AM

[up][up]In my headcanon Leviathan was the group which fired the rocket.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#39627: Jul 31st 2015 at 11:20:33 AM

[up][up]Oh yeah, I forgot. Extremis was designed for U.S. military veterans who had lost limbs in combat.

Still, how the hell did that program get approved in the first place?

AIM: "So, good news is, you're going to get your missing limbs back, but the bad news is that there's probably going to some sort of side effect involving crazy fire powers."

U.S. government: That's totally fine. Approved.

edited 31st Jul '15 11:22:56 AM by higherbrainpattern

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#39628: Jul 31st 2015 at 11:22:01 AM

I think it's more like:

"So we managed to get limbs to regrow. And accidentally gave them all fire powers. You guys can use shock troops that can melt people's faces off, right?"

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#39629: Jul 31st 2015 at 11:28:02 AM

idk. the govemrent has been only useful when it came to creating SHIELD lol. however i believe in IM 3 Killian did say that the govemrent stopped because his research became too unethical. so if they thought it was bad then does that mean corrupt politicians are out the gate? idk who would pick up where IM 3 left off?

edited 31st Jul '15 11:36:49 AM by xbimpy

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#39630: Jul 31st 2015 at 11:31:08 AM

Well, the VP was in Killian's pocket so maybe he pulled some strings.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#39631: Jul 31st 2015 at 11:33:44 AM

Um, I think you guys are kinda forgetting a certain part.

"You do realize you just signed an agreement that allows us to waive any responsibility in the very likely event that you explode into microscopic bits, right? We bolded it and everything."
"Yeah, yeah, now shut up and give me the juice, dammit!"

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#39632: Jul 31st 2015 at 11:48:18 AM

They were able to get funding for the project because, holy shit, they could regrow limbs. Do you realize how amazing that is for military veterans? Who wouldn't want to be part of that project?!

Meanwhile, the superheating was a side effect but largely benign. These sorts of things are expected with experimental new treatments.

And nobody ever exploded on-record. Seriously, that's the entire reason for Killian's fake terrorist attacks: to disguise the involvement of Extremis in the explosions. Until Stark outed everything, the official story was that there was never an Extremis Explosion, that is not a thing that happens with Extremis.

edited 31st Jul '15 11:48:59 AM by TobiasDrake

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#39633: Jul 31st 2015 at 11:49:19 AM

Or, you know, they lied.

I mean, it wouldn't be the first time a corporation has lied about things.

I'm still waiting on AIM to return with the leader being MODOK.

Meanwhile, the superheating was a side effect but largely benign. These sorts of things are expected with experimental new treatments.

Wait, you consider "exploding" to be benign? Because, remember, they couldn't get past the whole "most participants explode" thing. The ones that didn't explode got cool powers, but most, you know, exploded all over the place. (Not saying that they told anybody about that side effect, but if they put it into market, I'm pretty sure it would come out.)

edited 31st Jul '15 11:51:09 AM by alliterator

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#39634: Jul 31st 2015 at 11:50:43 AM

I do have to wonder where that heat comes from, though. They must need a REALLY high-calorie diet.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#39635: Jul 31st 2015 at 11:55:52 AM

[up][up] No, the superheating was benign because they were hiding the part about explosions. So basically they were telling the government "They regrow limbs and get awesome fire powers! We're working on getting rid of the fire powers because you don't want to give those to every person who needs a limb regrown, but other than that it's perfect!"

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#39636: Jul 31st 2015 at 11:57:59 AM

It doesn't matter if they were hiding that part, if they couldn't solve that problem, they couldn't market Extremis. It would be kind of hard to say that "all side effects of benign" when, you know, 90% of people explode.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#39637: Jul 31st 2015 at 12:00:11 PM

That's the plot of the movie. They're working on fixing the exploding thing so they can market it. They had a few corrupt officials like the VP in their pocket based on the promise that they'd fix it.

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#39638: Jul 31st 2015 at 12:00:19 PM

Yes, which is why they were secretly working on solving that part while publicly disguising the symptoms as terrorist attacks. They weren't going to their backers and going, "So, our subjects explode, give us money!"

[nja]

edited 31st Jul '15 12:00:26 PM by TobiasDrake

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#39639: Jul 31st 2015 at 12:53:47 PM

Goddammit, why did you have to remind me about that? It's so goddamn stupid. I'd easily say of all the people hit with the Idiot Ball during Superior Spider-Man she was hit the worst. You know what, I'm with ya. Bring in Black Cat for love interest. Make it as blatantly obvious a Batman/Catwoman thing as you want. Just do something so that her comics counterpart can be salvaged.

In a way it's like what happened to Roy Harper in Cry For Justice; the character who barely appears in the story and whose presence has no overall impact is the one who suffers the most. Felicia really did not need to be in Superior. Hell, I'd argue that not letting her move on from the Spider-world is why her character is so terrible now.

While the 2007 Heroes for Hire book wasn't gold, I'd like to see Felicia with such a team but done right.

[down]Thanks for the correction.

edited 31st Jul '15 12:59:49 PM by windleopard

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#39640: Jul 31st 2015 at 12:56:12 PM

[up] Identity Crisis? Don't you mean Cry For Justice?

Oh God! Natural light!
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#39641: Jul 31st 2015 at 1:07:38 PM

They weren't going to their backers and going, "So, our subjects explode, give us money!"

Which is why I was pointing out that the side effects weren't actually benign.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#39642: Jul 31st 2015 at 1:19:03 PM

The side effects were benign so far as they were communicating to the outside world.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#39643: Jul 31st 2015 at 1:24:18 PM

Ah, you did not say that. You just said they were benign.

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#39644: Jul 31st 2015 at 5:30:11 PM

I will only accept the Winter Ant plot if it's been established that Anthony was an army ant. tongue

...I'll just show myself out.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#39645: Jul 31st 2015 at 5:43:58 PM

[up]Eh, I do find it funny^^

On a more serious note, who would you guys like to see as the villain in Antman 2? Because honestly, despite what people used to think, the real crappy thing about Antman wasn't his powers, but his rogues gallery (except for Ultron, and they already gave this one to Tony and the Avengers). The fact they had to create a new super-villain by mixing a Scott's Starter Villain with one of Pym's alter-ego says legion about this. So I have really no idea who they could use next time...

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#39646: Jul 31st 2015 at 5:46:35 PM

Awhile ago I did a bit of thinking about which of the MCU antagonists before Winter Soldier might have been members of HYDRA, but I doubt any of them were.

The one who comes the closest to being probable is Stane, and even so he was too much of a "sell to everyone, make a profit" sort to be a one-organization man. I wouldn't be surprised if he was working with them, though.

edited 31st Jul '15 5:52:07 PM by KnownUnknown

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#39648: Jul 31st 2015 at 6:35:42 PM

[up] In all seriousness, I do wonder if Thanos is going to end up hijacking what's left of HYDRA.

When Red Skull "died" in The First Avenger he seemed to have been sucked into a portal created by the Tesseract. In Avengers Loki, now working for Thanos via the Chitauri, emerged from a portal created by the Tesseract. So it stands to reason that the Tesseract may of delivered the Red Skull right to Thanos.

Flashforward to today, Red Skull could now be working for Thanos. He shows up on Earth on the eve of the Infinity War with a bunch of alien tech and unites the remnants of HYDRA and has them help clear the way for Thanos's arrival. I could easily see the first half of Infinity War Part 1 involve fighting the Avengers fighting Red Skull on Earth before Thanos shows up halfway through.

Also I know Hugo Weaving doesn't want to reprise the role of Red Skull. But the Red Skull is such a makeup heavy character (which is apparently a big part of why he doesn't want to reprise his role) and it's been seventy plus years since we've seen him so the role could easily be recast.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#39649: Jul 31st 2015 at 6:42:42 PM

If the Red Skull somehow shows up in the MCU again, who should play him? I doubt Hugo Weaving will come back.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#39650: Jul 31st 2015 at 7:03:33 PM

For the next Ant-Man villain, the Taskmaster has always been one of Scott Lang's recurring foes. And he would be a cool villain to have, really.


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