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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#39551: Jul 30th 2015 at 10:40:12 AM

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That might not be a bad idea. I mean, they've done MJ, and they've done Gwen. Those are the two big ones right there. Betty may have come first, but no one is quite as iconic as Gwen or MJ. They are literally fighting it out for #1.

Skipping out on the romance might be the wisest choice they could make. Focus on other stuff to set them apart from the Raimi trilogy and the Amazing series.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39552: Jul 30th 2015 at 10:46:06 AM

I would do one movie without love interest, then perhaps introduce Black Cat (because we have never seen her and she has spin-off potential) and then finally MJ. I honestly, don't want to see Gwen dying again, and there is no point in introducing her if you don't do this storyline. Plus, I don't want to see anyone or anything hanging at a bridge anytime soon.

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#39553: Jul 30th 2015 at 10:49:32 AM

Felicia Hardy for love interest! Do it, Marvel! If it works in the movies, they might bring her back in a big way in the comics!

Right now she's being horribly misused in the comics. They're trying to make her a big-time supervillain. She's on a bid to become the new kingpin of crime in New York, because she's mad that Superior punched her in the face once. It's dumb.

edited 30th Jul '15 10:50:05 AM by TobiasDrake

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#39554: Jul 30th 2015 at 10:50:01 AM

[up][up]Spectacular Spider-man had Gwen, and it didn't bother doing that storyline. (Mind you, it got cancelled before it had a chance to, but whatever; two years and 26 episodes was still a lot of time for an adapation to go without doing something similar to that story.) So you don't always need to plan to kill off Gwen to have Gwen.

edited 30th Jul '15 10:50:14 AM by kkhohoho

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#39555: Jul 30th 2015 at 10:52:51 AM

[up][up]That sounds idiotic.

But yeah, Felicia's the only thing that could make me interested in a Spider-Man film. Not even Carnage or Agent Venom could do that at this point.

HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
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#39556: Jul 30th 2015 at 10:53:24 AM

Aw, but killing her is so much fun!

I'm gonna have her die by having Doctor Octopus run her over with a steamroller this time.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39557: Jul 30th 2015 at 10:58:50 AM

Well...I think I could get behind Gwen if they don't make her the love interest but "the best friend" this time around, either of Peter of Mary Jane. I like the dynamic with her father and wouldn't mind a second take on this...

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#39558: Jul 30th 2015 at 11:00:57 AM

Right now she's being horribly misused in the comics. They're trying to make her a big-time supervillain. She's on a bid to become the new kingpin of crime in New York, because she's mad that Superior punched her in the face once. It's dumb.

Goddammit, why did you have to remind me about that? It's so goddamn stupid. I'd easily say of all the people hit with the Idiot Ball during Superior Spider Man she was hit the worst.

You know what, I'm with ya. Bring in Black Cat for love interest. Make it as blatantly obvious a Batman/Catwoman thing as you want. Just do something so that her comics counterpart can be salvaged.

edited 30th Jul '15 11:02:30 AM by Watchtower

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#39559: Jul 30th 2015 at 11:06:31 AM

I think it would help her a lot.

After being an occasional cameo for much of her character history since her short-lived romance with Thor ended, Jane Foster is back as Thor. You can't tell me that's unrelated to her prominence in the MCU.

Same for Pepper. Her visibility exploded after the Iron Man film made more money than god, and we got Ezekiel Stane from that too.

edited 30th Jul '15 11:06:57 AM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39560: Jul 30th 2015 at 11:07:45 AM

And Spider-Gwen got a push, too. Not to mention Peggy Carter.

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#39561: Jul 30th 2015 at 11:17:00 AM

@ kkhohoho:

IIRC, I think I remember reading that they weren't going to kill her off had Spectacular continue...

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#39562: Jul 30th 2015 at 11:21:05 AM

[up][up][up] Iron Man having an AI named J.A.R.V.I.S. Black Widow referring to the "red in her ledger" in Superior Spider Man. The Guardians having a whole bit on Earth. Scott Lang's increasing prominence. The redesigns of Hawkeye and Star Lord. Nick Fury Jr.

Marvel hasn't hid at all the fact that they're taking a lot from the MCU. And why would they? It's opened up the comics universe to the mainstream in a way that's never been done before. They make the comics look more like the movies, and they start cashing in with those that'd otherwise never touch a comic book before. At least, that's what the idea is.

edited 30th Jul '15 11:22:22 AM by Watchtower

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#39563: Jul 30th 2015 at 11:30:13 AM

[up] Of course, there's also the fact that they decidedly do storylines that take them further away from the MCU, like Sam Wilson as the new Captain America and Jane Foster as Thor.

Marvel, on the whole, likes to superficially look similar to the movies, but still keep their own stories and plots separate.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#39564: Jul 30th 2015 at 11:45:47 AM

[up][up][up]Thanks; that just proves my point. You don't need to kill off Gwen to have her in there. She's a decent supporting character, and if you want someone for a Peter/MJ/Someone-Else love triangle, you could always throw Gwen in there. She can be more than something to motivate the hero.

edited 30th Jul '15 11:46:23 AM by kkhohoho

HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
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#39565: Jul 30th 2015 at 11:47:51 AM

You know what the world needs?

Thor frog.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39566: Jul 30th 2015 at 11:48:34 AM

If there is one thing I don't want in ANY Marvel movie, it's a love triangle. CW can put love-triangles which have love-triangles into their shows for all I care...but nothing puts me off a property faster than this particular plot device.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#39567: Jul 30th 2015 at 11:52:45 AM

[up]I'm pretty sure the comics have had a Love Triangle more than once, and The Spectacular Spider Man definitely had one. Having one in the films would be keeping true to the source material, if nothing else.

edited 30th Jul '15 11:54:05 AM by kkhohoho

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39568: Jul 30th 2015 at 11:53:56 AM

[up]The Comics had a lot of stuff I rather don't want to see in the MCU. Or do you want to see Peter selling his marriage to the devil?

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#39569: Jul 30th 2015 at 11:55:24 AM

[up]Nope. But if they're going to be doing a teenage flik, then a love triangle is just kind of par for the course.

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#39570: Jul 30th 2015 at 11:55:45 AM

[up][up]Because a recurring plot scenario is the same as a one time Event.

edited 30th Jul '15 11:55:56 AM by stingerbrg

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#39571: Jul 30th 2015 at 11:56:31 AM

Well, if you don't do a Love Triangle, then you can't have Gwen and MJ.

Pete would have married the former if she lived, and did end up marrying the latter until it was retconned. They are both too important to his life, and unless you never have Peter end up with anyone at all (or really go for putting him permanently with Felicia), you'd have to decide which one he goes with.

Maybe that is for the best. As you guys said, The Black Cat needs some positive press right now with the crap the comics are pulling on her.

edited 30th Jul '15 11:57:17 AM by HandsomeRob

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#39572: Jul 30th 2015 at 11:58:43 AM

You can totally have Gwen and MJ. Do what Ultimate Spider-Man did — have Pete in love with MJ, have them become best friends with Gwen, and that's it. (The only real love triangle in USM was between Pete, MJ, and Kitty Pryde, and they can't use Kitty since she's owned by Fox.)

And then, once Pete and MJ finally do get together...kill him off.

And then bring in Miles.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39573: Jul 30th 2015 at 12:00:14 PM

[up]Yeah, but than it's not a love-triangle. I would love Gwen as friend, because it would buckle the idea that every girl in a superhero movie needs to be either a heroine or a love interest.

And I actually would like to see married Peter at one point....

edited 30th Jul '15 12:00:52 PM by Swanpride

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#39574: Jul 30th 2015 at 12:04:55 PM

I feel the need to point out that Peter, Gwen, and MJ weren't a love triangle. They were a square. Harry was also involved.

Until MJ dumped Harry due to his self-destructive lifestyle and Gwen died, Peter/Gwen and Harry/MJ were the big couples, with cross-couple flirting also being a thing but not very major.

edited 30th Jul '15 12:05:49 PM by TobiasDrake

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#39575: Jul 30th 2015 at 12:16:08 PM

If Black Cat is a love interest, I'd like it to be either totally one-sided on Peter's end, or something like the Ultimate-verse where she digs him for a while only to find out he's a teenager and drop it there. Romantic Plot Tumor averted.


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