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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#39501: Jul 29th 2015 at 9:57:25 AM

Wow. Now I'm really beginning to think Hank is a jerkass.

Oh well, guess that's his new thing. At least he doesn't beat his wife anymore.....

That we know of.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#39502: Jul 29th 2015 at 9:58:39 AM

To be fair, Hank was also a superjerk in the comics and suffered from bipolar disorder.

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#39503: Jul 29th 2015 at 10:00:50 AM

Although its possible that some of the gear Scott had on him during the re-break-in was hella illegal in which case he would still have been in some trouble even if Hank didn't press charges.

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#39504: Jul 29th 2015 at 10:32:57 AM

So just got back from seeing Ant Man myself, it was good. But yeah the only crime initially committed was the breaking out of the holding cell.

Also Hank did make thing much more complicated by refusing to allow Hope to use the suit.

Though on the break in at the Avengers base, I swear Scott did try and convince Falcon to let him borrow the thing and Falcon refused.

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#39505: Jul 29th 2015 at 10:34:57 AM

He did in the least convincing way possible.

"Can I borrow this thing to save the world? Kthx" "No. And I understandably find you suspicious and am taking you in for questioning." "Wow, rude."

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#39506: Jul 29th 2015 at 10:35:36 AM

To his credit, Hank immediately recognized that attacking an Avengers facility was a terrible idea and tried to recall Scott. That fight was entirely on Scott.

But can you blame Falcon for being unreasonable? You catch a guy trespassing in your building and he goes, "Just let me steal the thing I'm here for and I'll leave, cool?" Not exactly a situation that warrants much benefit of doubt.

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#39507: Jul 29th 2015 at 10:37:47 AM

Scott did say he'd bring it back.

.....in, again, the worst way possible, but still. tongue

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#39508: Jul 29th 2015 at 10:39:17 AM

Trusted friends don't bring things back after they say they will. A thief lurking in the shadows doesn't get to make that promise.

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#39509: Jul 29th 2015 at 10:41:10 AM

Basically he majorly borked his diplomacy roll there.

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#39510: Jul 29th 2015 at 10:42:18 AM

Natural 1's suck.

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#39511: Jul 29th 2015 at 10:42:18 AM

Nah I get why Falcon didn't trust him, but he did at least try.

What was much more stupid was the cop who even after seeing all the superpowered chaos going on thought that their top priority should be arresting Scott (presumably for the breaking out of jail not anything else).

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#39512: Jul 29th 2015 at 10:43:17 AM

[up][up][up]"WHY IS IT ALL ONES?!"

[up]To be fair to Paxton, they don't come in until after Scott swatted Cross into the bug zapper. To take it right back, Paxton's first action is to taze on sight.

edited 29th Jul '15 10:45:27 AM by Watchtower

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#39513: Jul 29th 2015 at 10:48:50 AM

Based on what I see on the news, that last part was just to add some realism to the film.

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#39514: Jul 29th 2015 at 10:49:37 AM

By this point, the masked figure he's tazing has been involved in the spontaneous generation of a military-grade vehicle and a bombing that destroyed an entire building. The situation has long escalated beyond the point of warnings, especially given the unknown nature of the suspect's powerset.

Frankly, the fact that Scott got a taser and not a deadly weapon is, in and of itself, a good mark on Paxton's record. A lot of cops would have shot him after everything that's gone down.

edited 29th Jul '15 10:51:19 AM by TobiasDrake

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#39515: Jul 29th 2015 at 10:50:51 AM

Its not a good idea to approach a nervous policeperson while widly gesticulating when there have been exploding buildings and crashing helicopters the same day

Or just in general

edited 29th Jul '15 10:51:03 AM by Bocaj

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#39516: Jul 29th 2015 at 10:51:38 AM

Yeah I mean come on, he could have at least gone "dude what the hell is going on", the evidence of a fight was obvious, grabbing the other participant would have been a pretty good idea

Though Scott didn't help, he didn't actually tell them what happened once he woke up, I mean come on, by that point things weren't covert. He could have just gone "dude superhero fight, even if you don't believe I'm the good guy at least go back and grab the other guy so you've got us both".

edited 29th Jul '15 10:51:53 AM by Silasw

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#39517: Jul 29th 2015 at 10:52:30 AM

Scott thought the other guy was dead in a bug-zapper, charred beyond any possible recognition. He would have just looked like a burned fly to anyone trying to find him.

edited 29th Jul '15 10:52:49 AM by TobiasDrake

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#39518: Jul 29th 2015 at 10:52:32 AM

Is he even aware enough to make that connection? Remember, the only reason he and his partner were there originally was to take in Hank.

....Fuck, wait, how did they even catch up in the first place?

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#39519: Jul 29th 2015 at 10:55:39 AM

[up][up] He still thought he had to go back for the suit, he could have just said "superhero fight, there's some dangerous tech left back there, you should like go grab it. He himself was asking to be let to go back so it's not like he didn't realise he needed to.

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#39520: Jul 29th 2015 at 10:56:48 AM

If the police confiscating Pym's technology was considered an acceptable outcome by the protagonists, this never would have been a heist movie in the first place.

edited 29th Jul '15 10:56:58 AM by TobiasDrake

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#39521: Jul 29th 2015 at 11:01:02 AM

Fair point. Though it's not like they couldn't have easily stolen it off the police once they confirmed that it was out of the hands of actual evil people.

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#39522: Jul 29th 2015 at 11:47:02 AM

It's still not really in much danger where it is, as far as Scott knows. If Cross had actually been fried in the bug-zapper, it would undoubtedly have damaged the Yellowjacket suit beyond repair. That is a lot of electricity to something so tiny. A near-microscopic piece of technology that has been thoroughly destroyed beyond recognition is of no consequence to anyone, and will never be found or identified.

edited 29th Jul '15 11:47:30 AM by TobiasDrake

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#39523: Jul 29th 2015 at 1:05:10 PM

Scott obviously though it was though, as he was desperate to go back and get it. I don't think he did think that the villain was dead actually.

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#39524: Jul 29th 2015 at 1:08:07 PM

Scott is cautious and knows that villains have a tough time staying dead. He wanted to make absolutely sure Cross didn't go after him or his daughter.

Which raises the question of how Cross got to Cassie's place so quickly.

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#39525: Jul 29th 2015 at 1:49:43 PM

Which raises the question of how Cross got to Cassie's place so quickly.

Given how much of a Card-Carrying Villain he was, maybe he applied for a slasher monster certification just so he could use the Offscreen Teleportation benefits.

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