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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#39451: Jul 28th 2015 at 4:48:12 PM

[up]Ninjaed me but yeah.

Grandson Zemo is the one with all the Character Development. The original was basically just a Card-Carrying Villain.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#39453: Jul 28th 2015 at 5:14:58 PM

Of course there wasn't going to be.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#39454: Jul 28th 2015 at 5:23:31 PM

[up][up] Heh-heh.

"PG-16".

That should totally be a thing.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#39455: Jul 28th 2015 at 5:28:31 PM

After the stuff we had last season is this really that shocking?

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#39456: Jul 28th 2015 at 6:10:43 PM

I saw Ant Man! It was a hell of a lot better than I expected, though I do have a weakness for heist movies. They did a pretty great job considering how little they have to work with — shrinking isn't exactly your average blockbuster superpower. Lots of hand-waving, but it was consistent enough and I liked how they incorporated it into the larger MCU. And the inevitable romance was remarkably inconsequential and unobtrusive, not to mention subverting the trite "bitch ex-wife and asshole new boyfriend" trope.

And I don't know what the consensus on this is, but I loved Luis.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#39457: Jul 28th 2015 at 6:15:17 PM

Until I see evidence otherwise, my headcanon's going to be that Scott and Hope just felt like making out that one time and have no actual romantic feelings for each other. Seriously, they had, like, zero romantic chemistry together.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#39458: Jul 28th 2015 at 6:28:16 PM

I assumed they were doing it just to piss Hank off, which, let's face it, is a pretty good reason.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#39459: Jul 28th 2015 at 6:32:02 PM

paxton's not even that much of an asshole, we just sympathize with scott because he's the viewpoint character. from his perspective, he's just trying to do what's best for his family, and he's wary of scott because he's an ex-con who has trouble keeping a job and who consequently hasn't paid any child support up until that point. it's not like he can know what's in scott's heart.

edited 28th Jul '15 6:32:40 PM by wehrmacht

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#39460: Jul 28th 2015 at 6:33:28 PM

[up][up] I choose to believe this.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#39462: Jul 28th 2015 at 6:43:02 PM

@spashthebandragon and Wackd: I want to believe that.

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#39463: Jul 28th 2015 at 6:44:18 PM

wild mass guessDoctor Strange is a figurehead. Luis is the real Sorcerer Supremewild mass guess

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#39464: Jul 28th 2015 at 6:45:21 PM

Wait, Kingpin crushing a dude's head into gibs with a car door doesn't constitute R-rated violence?

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
MapleSamurai Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#39465: Jul 28th 2015 at 6:47:14 PM

Just saw Ant-Man for the second time today, and while it now rests squarely in my top five favourite MCU films, and I also realized something. Anthony's death adds NOTHING to the plot. It's just thrown in to artificially raise the stakes and make the conflict "personal" (as if having Cross attack Cassie didn't do that already), you can see it coming from a mile away once Scott names him, and it is never brought up again.

Sure, killing off a supporting character CAN work in a movie, if said character and their relationships are developed well enough. Anthony has no character development. He is just an ant that acts cute.

Anyone else get that impression?

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
BBrown052 Since: May, 2012
#39467: Jul 28th 2015 at 6:49:05 PM

[up]I'm pretty sure I blinked and missed Antony's death entirely. So yeah, not very effective.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#39468: Jul 28th 2015 at 7:07:52 PM

I think it worked pretty well, personally. I felt pretty sad at it, even in spite of the absurdity of the situation.

It's like Wilson drifting away at sea in Castaway, except marginally more sentient.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#39469: Jul 28th 2015 at 7:26:09 PM

Wait, Kingpin crushing a dude's head into gibs with a car door doesn't constitute R-rated violence?

I don't remember, but we didn't actually see the skull getting crushed, right? Just the door slamming on him again and again followed by a really disgusting wet sound.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#39470: Jul 28th 2015 at 7:43:11 PM

We see like...red stuff dripping down to the ground, I'm pretty sure, which could either be blood or crushed brain matter.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#39471: Jul 28th 2015 at 7:46:55 PM

We see both blood pouring down as well as bits and kibbles of brain matter, followed by his headless body falling down with full view of his neck.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#39473: Jul 28th 2015 at 8:09:07 PM

No.

It was a lot more....subdued I'd say.

One Strip! One Strip!
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#39474: Jul 28th 2015 at 9:30:31 PM

You know... there's no good reason why the Ant-Man suit can't fly. Both Wasp suits and the Yellowjacket suit can. Sure, it makes room for Antony (who really should've been named something else, like Antoine or Antonio, because it's too close to Anthony Stark), but of course Antony was a parodic character death.

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#39475: Jul 28th 2015 at 9:48:47 PM

I questioned that as well, earlier in the thread. General consensus was that the Ant man suit is probably an older model that Hank never bothered to update.

edited 28th Jul '15 9:48:59 PM by Eagal


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