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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#39376: Jul 28th 2015 at 9:34:41 AM

That does remind me of something though. Although she didn't really care at that moment, I don't think Wanda was necessarily trying to cause Banner to go on a murderous rampage. Basically, she was exposing everyone to their worst fears. In the other cases, this made them "shut down", but in Banner's case, his worst fear was probably to the effect of everyone trying to harm him- ergo, murderous rampage.

Not that he would be pleased to see Wanda on the team, but I think Banner (somewhat rightly) blames himself for his actions as the Hulk.

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#39377: Jul 28th 2015 at 9:54:53 AM

I feel like she wanted him to rampage, to really screw them all over.

Clint makes the most sense as the one advocating her joining the team. Then Cap. Then maybe Vision and Natasha. Iron Man, not so much, and he already has enough character interaction and focus.

Also, I totally forgot the whole "Heroic Scarlet Witch" was a thing. Kinda lessens the impact of "It's about damn time" from Hope.

edited 28th Jul '15 10:00:23 AM by wanderlustwarrior

Izeinsummer Since: Jun, 2013
#39378: Jul 28th 2015 at 9:55:45 AM

Eh, I figure Wanda got recruited because

A: She can wave a hand and cancel mind-control. Remember the winter soldier? Ao S? The Faustus Method, the scepter and the mind gem? It's a capability the avengers could use. A lot. (This would have been a hilarious post credit scene... "normally, we'd be prosecuting. But It's a bit hazy what law would actually apply. And also, we have some 700 ex shield agents we would like to check for mental booby-traps..)

B: It's that or kill her. There is no way to imprison her. At all.

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#39379: Jul 28th 2015 at 9:59:31 AM

She might have been expecting him to attack the Avengers instead of whatever's nearby, but I also feel like she wanted him to rampage. He was the priority target; she tells Pietro to stick to the plan and bring her the big one.

I think she was attempting to do the same thing Loki did in the first movie, but it misfired because the Hulk wasn't in an enclosed container and could just go somewhere else.

"The plan," in this case, being to keep the Avengers busy. Ultron tells Stark immediately before the destruction of that particular drone that he's currently getting away with the vibranium. There's no reason Stark couldn't simply chase after him, blast open his other drone, and recover the vibranium but for the sudden involvement of the Hulk.

edited 28th Jul '15 10:01:41 AM by TobiasDrake

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#39380: Jul 28th 2015 at 9:59:36 AM

[up][up] You could knock her out and keep her heavily sedated.

edited 28th Jul '15 10:00:11 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#39381: Jul 28th 2015 at 10:01:32 AM

At that point you might as well just kill her.

edited 28th Jul '15 10:01:43 AM by Kostya

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#39382: Jul 28th 2015 at 10:13:52 AM

[up] But killing is wrong...

edited 28th Jul '15 10:14:29 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#39384: Jul 28th 2015 at 10:21:24 AM

[up][up]Unless the victim is a genocidal robot. tongue

edited 28th Jul '15 10:21:40 AM by Eagal

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#39386: Jul 28th 2015 at 10:26:49 AM

God, if I knew where it was, I'd go dig up my old Civil War banner.

When the comics were new, there were a lot of banners going around over on CBR, saying "I'm with Captain America!" or "I'm with Iron Man!" To parody this, I made an "I'm with Broly!" banner.

edited 28th Jul '15 10:27:15 AM by TobiasDrake

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xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#39387: Jul 28th 2015 at 10:28:34 AM

hawkeye team captain america. then who is the first to join team ironman

edited 28th Jul '15 10:32:20 AM by xbimpy

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#39388: Jul 28th 2015 at 10:36:12 AM

Is it too early to bring back "You're all f***ed when the Hulk comes back?"

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#39389: Jul 28th 2015 at 10:39:27 AM

[up] I hope not.


Team leanings that make sense to me so far:

Team Cap:

  • Falcon
  • Black Widow
  • Ant-Man
  • Hawkeye

Team Iron Man:

  • War Machine
  • Black Panther
  • Spider-Man

Team True Neutral (Team I've got other things to care about):

  • Vision
  • Thor
  • Hulk
  • Hank Pym

I think that just leaves Scarlet Witch as one I'm unsure about. She and Vision need to somehow get limited in role to keep from harming the narrative.

edited 28th Jul '15 10:40:38 AM by wanderlustwarrior

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#39390: Jul 28th 2015 at 10:47:06 AM

Less than a dozen Avengers cannot be everywhere in a chunk of rock the size of a major downtown area.

While I agree with you 99%, that last one percent needs to point out that before his disastrous marriage to a few million bullets, Quicksilver could probably cover a lot of ground. On his own, he'd probably saved a lot of people, and with the others there, I can picture the casualties being far less than what you'd expect when you have a speedster who can go everywhere and let his allies know where there's trouble (if he doesn't do the job himself).

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#39391: Jul 28th 2015 at 10:50:16 AM

That's true, but Quicksilver was mainly just smashing drones whenever we saw him. It was the likes of Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America doing the heavy lifting of—

....

The speedster was punching robots while the super-soldier, Norse god, and flying tank were grabbing people from falling buildings. The Avengers are terrible at resource management.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#39392: Jul 28th 2015 at 10:57:15 AM

As funny as that sounds, when you are as fast as Quicksilver, you can punch robots and save people. He could have easily been doing both.

Now, as long as he wasn't punching people and saving robots, things would be alright.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#39393: Jul 28th 2015 at 11:05:46 AM

[up] Need to also make sure he's not punching robots with the people. Very clear distinction.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#39394: Jul 28th 2015 at 11:08:06 AM
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#39395: Jul 28th 2015 at 11:36:06 AM

I remember when the original Civil War comic came out and people were displaying banners that said, like, "I'm with Bagel" or "I'm with Pancakes."

But yeah, the best part was "You're All Fucked When the Hulk Gets Back."

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#39396: Jul 28th 2015 at 11:43:00 AM

The only good thing to come out of World War Hulk was The Incredible Hercules.

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#39397: Jul 28th 2015 at 11:48:19 AM

Now that someone probably mentioned it somewhere at sometime,

I can see Scarlet Witch and Vision bonding over killing Ultron.

"Yeah so I ripped out the fucker's heart."
"There was one stray drone that he moved his consciousness to. I took measures that it would not escape."
"Are you doing anything on Friday?"

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#39398: Jul 28th 2015 at 11:50:05 AM

Another popular slogan was I'm with Nova because the entire rest of the universe at the time kept pointing out how stupid it was that humanity skipped out on a galactic war to punch each other in the face.

They even did a What If? where the Wave reached Earth during the final battle. The story ends IIRC with Nova, Iron Man and Captain America giving their lives to stop Annihilus. In the real universe the Wave gets stopped by Richard Rider(rips Annihilus inside out), Peter Quill(moral support), Phyla-Vell(shields and becoming Quasar)and Galactus(wiping a section of the universe out to get rid of the Wave).

edited 28th Jul '15 11:56:02 AM by LordofLore

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#39399: Jul 28th 2015 at 11:58:17 AM

I remember that. I just love how dismissive Nova was of the whole matter. "You're squabbling over your secret identities?!"

The unfortunate fact is that the whole conflict of Civil War was entirely stupid, with the correct course of action being blatantly obvious to everyone both involved and reading, and the alternative being mind-numbingly stupid.

Problem was, character and readers had different opinions as to which side was the obviously correct one and which was the mind-numbingly stupid one. Ultimately, both sides were assholes because that's what happens when you write a conflict where neither character is genuinely invested in his particular side of it.

Nobody on the pro- or anti- side really cared about the Registration Act.

edited 28th Jul '15 11:59:37 AM by TobiasDrake

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#39400: Jul 28th 2015 at 12:02:14 PM

I've seen speculation that in the MCU the act will be more along the lines of a superhero draft than just revealing their identities. I prefer that version honestly.


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