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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Because Loki was trying to divide them, not force them into hiding. Also because at this point they weren't that well-known to the world (minus Stark) so how could he have forced them into hiding?
The only one who go into hiding was Hulk but that was more of scarlet witch messing with his mind(in fact for a moment I really think he was going to hurt wanda, not without reason)
In fact....Im the only one who think she go to light ot if this?(dead brother aside)
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
I've been complaining that Wanda got off way too easy for a while now.
Yeah. It is almost like she's a member of the team at the end because canon demands it. She killed more people than Ultron.
But the Scarlet Watch wouldn't be the Scarlet Witch if grief didn't cause her to commit terrible atrocities.
Edit- To give a somewhat more serious answer, we are probably to understand that Hawkeye convinced the others to let her go and atone/pay for her crimes through Avenging. Hawkeye was at one point the head of the Thunderbolts and helped its members in a similar fashion.
edited 28th Jul '15 8:07:09 AM by Hodor2
She killed more people than Ultron.
Um, no, no she didn't. Where the hell would you get that from? The Hulk's rampage caused a lot of property damage, but it doesn't appear that there were any casualties (nothing shown on screen), but the Ultron attack not only went on for much longer, but resulted in many deaths.
Being associated with Ultron automatically implies their PR is brought down, so they must act on the down-low. Yes they saved the day, but in the process there is also clear evidence process they made matters worst. ultron took away the general public's preconception of the avengers as shinning angels. that makes them "hide", especially after they mess up again in civil war.
My issue is just that I don't know when they're gonna have room to give Wanda and Vision proper character development at this point. Civil War needs to be more focused on Steve, Tony, and Bucky, and in Infinity War, the characters will presumably be too preoccupied trying to stop Thanos to have time for Wanda to sit around and mope about the time she sicced Hulk on a city.
There really needs to be a Scarlet Witch standalone movie. Preferably one involving Pietro getting revived somehow.
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.Um, no, no she didn't. Where the hell would you get that from? The Hulk's rampage caused a lot of property damage, but it doesn't appear that there were any casualties (nothing shown on screen), but the Ultron attack not only went on for much longer, but resulted in many deaths."
uh people did get hurt. there were a ton of bystnders there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo6f7RuQSBQ
4:46 - people walk dazed, stumbling through the rubble. many are indeed wounded, notably one lady's face is drenched in blood. although there were no deaths shown on screen during hulk vs hulkbuster, there were real people put in danger. this is why Hulk looked so dumbfounded as he saw the result of his actions. however, Tony manged to save those who were about to be killed like the ones in a elevator.
on the other hand, when Ultron was shooting with the Quinjet there was a cop who got gun down. his drones tried to kill but failed because the avengers are just better. the main ultron body was too busy to kill people with his bare hands. that wasnt his goal
either way the movie did dramatize both South Africa and Slovakia as a warzone with heavy civilian casualties more so than any other MCU product. if the MCU put more emphasis on showing everyone's death in your face then it probably wouldnt be PG 13 or more darker than Kevin Feige described. to me its obvious age of ultron obtained the same effect without being really grimdark about it. if there were really no causlasites hen Thunderbolt slandering Hulk in Civil War would carry no weight. he needs something to go off on more than property damage. Daredevil already used the pragmatic consequences of property damage anyway
edited 28th Jul '15 9:01:27 AM by xbimpy
The MCU has always opted for inferred casualties over explicit ones.
To put this simply, when Tony blew up a tank in Iron Man 1, we didn't need to see the charred and mangled corpses to understand that at least two people just died.
Similarly, we don't need to see the trail of bodies left broken and crushed in the Hulk's wake at the start of Age of Ultron either; Thor's line about the Gates of Hell being filled with the screams of his victims was sufficient.
The MCU has never shied away from the damage its characters cause. It just doesn't feel compelled to shove corpses in your face and shout, "SEE?! So edgy."
edited 28th Jul '15 8:48:44 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I was partly joking. The Avengers basically prevented any casualties in Sarkovia (which is in some ways cool, but seems to me a bit ridiculous and the opposite extreme of Man of Steel). However, I think we are clearly to infer that the Hulk killed (or at least caused the death of) some people in South Africa.
So, since Ultron was more or less unsuccessful in killing anyone except for Strucker and the Hulk was implied to have killed people in his Wanda-caused rampage, Wanda somehow managed to kill more people than Ultron.
uh people did get hurt. there were a ton of bystnders there.
I said there didn't appear to be casualties, not that there weren't people who got hurt. There's a difference. You yourself even point out that even though there are people hurt, there are no casualties shown, unlike the Ultron scenes where casualties are shown.
My point was that it is incredibly stupid to say the Scarlet Witch killed more people than Ultron.
The Avengers basically prevented any casualties in Sarkovia
I actually think that's not true - sure, they evacuated a lot of people, but there were also people who died (including Quicksilver).
edited 28th Jul '15 9:00:31 AM by alliterator
Yeah, but the whole point of the conversation is if Wanda killed more people than Ultron.
And for what it's worth, I see no reason for that to stop her being an Avenger when it had no bearing on Tony, Banner, or Natasha's admission.
edited 28th Jul '15 9:06:53 AM by Mukora
"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."Yeah, generally "casualties" means those killed. Sure, it can mean those injured as well, but not in the context I was using it.
Also, on that point, I'm pretty sure Ultron's collateral damage far exceeds Wanda's. (She caused the Hulk to rampage. He dropped a city out of the sky.)
edited 28th Jul '15 9:12:34 AM by alliterator
I personally choose to see Wanda's participation in the Avengers as a rather extreme yet informal version of community service.
I could see her early involvement with Ultron being a plot point in Civil War though. Just because the Avengers are willing to overlook what she did if she uses her powers for good doesn't mean everyone else will.
edited 28th Jul '15 9:18:29 AM by Falrinn
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Yeah. I do think that makes sense. My complaint.original comment was more about the film essentially avoided any casualties (except in Africa), because otherwise it would be too much of a downer- leading to the odd result that Ultron, the omnicidal killer robot, barely managed to kill anyone.
@Raven Wilder- That could work well for a joke in a future film. Like you'd have the Avengers discussing the Purple Man or Starfox and commenting on the danger of someone with a power to make people like them. And then Wanda would say, "Well, how do you think I convinced you guys to let me on the team?" And after a Beat would say she was joking.
edited 28th Jul '15 9:20:37 AM by Hodor2
That could actually be a good joke, to show she was accepted after a rough start.
On an odd note, I like to think Tony himself suggested Wanda join the team, just to show there were no hard feelings (I'm firmly convinced he wouldn't hold her responsible for Ultron, maintaining that what he did, he would have done in some form anyway, and all she did was push him an extra step).
Hell, when Tony started, he was barely getting anywhere. Ultron technically finished himself. Bruce and Tony were barely in the planning stages when everything went pear shaped. They never had time to find out how things could go wrong.
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No. I think the rest of society thinks that it was just the Hulk being the Hulk.
Yeah. That would make sense too. Like I can see Tony understanding that her actions were "caused" by his former arms dealing and therefore being inclined to leniency. And we had Steve's line to Maria Hill. And like Clint, Natasha is the last person to advocate harshness toward The Atoner.
edited 28th Jul '15 9:27:28 AM by Hodor2
I do think that when Bruce comes back from wherever he went and sees that Wanda is a member of the Avengers, he's going to be pretty pissed. She may have mind-whammied the other members, but she caused him to lose control, which is the worst thing for him.
So if Bruce does make an appearance in Civil War, I don't think he will be on anyone's side.
That just leaves Bruce, and he left, so he's a non issue.
He does have the strongest reason to be pissed at her though. She arguably did more than just nudge him. She pushed him right over the edge.
One Strip! One Strip!I'm sure plenty of people died in Ultron's attack. Once again, this gets into the MCU's inferred casualties vs. explicit ones. Less than a dozen Avengers cannot be everywhere in a chunk of rock the size of a major downtown area.
Emphasizing the rescue wasn't to say, "Not a single person was harmed in this event!" but to show the heroes being heroic by prioritizing the well-being of bystanders in the midst of fighting their enemy. They were minimizing the collateral damage, not negating it.
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