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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#39326: Jul 27th 2015 at 8:28:33 PM

Well, I definitely agree with whatever article I read that argued MCU Wasp should be more of the "girly girl" superhero, since the only other female heroes (Black Widow and Carol Danvers) are a little more stoic and militaristic.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#39327: Jul 27th 2015 at 8:34:29 PM

Makes sense to me.

Wasp is the Action Fashionista of the Marvel universe is she not?

edited 27th Jul '15 8:34:38 PM by HandsomeRob

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spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#39328: Jul 27th 2015 at 8:40:47 PM

The problem is, Hope doesn't really strike me as that type of character. Which is why my fingers are crossed that Janet will want to keep operating as Wasp once she's rescued.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#39329: Jul 27th 2015 at 8:46:11 PM

Wasp also flirted with nearly everyone in the early Avengers comics.

Including Kang, kinda.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#39330: Jul 27th 2015 at 8:48:34 PM

Wow.

C'mon Jan! You can't flirt with Kang! I mean, there has to be a rule about not flirting with Villains. Or if there isn't there should be.

Well, she did marry a man while he was insane, so I guess we can't say she makes the smartest choices. Fortunately, he husband managed to draw all the heat off her.tongue

Edit: When I mentioned that Action Fashionista thing, I was specifically talking bout Janet. Hope doesn't play that shit.

edited 27th Jul '15 8:49:15 PM by HandsomeRob

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#39331: Jul 27th 2015 at 9:18:19 PM

The media could always use more Cool Old Ladies. If they do bring Janet back I hope they cast someone in Douglas's age range and don't use the Quantum Realm time excuse for Playing Gertrude.

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#39332: Jul 27th 2015 at 9:27:33 PM

Someone in Douglas's age range would have a harder time doing the action stuff they normally have the actor do instead of the stunt double, on the account of them being 70 years old.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#39333: Jul 27th 2015 at 9:31:13 PM

Regarding the Wasp costume's lack of sleeves:

When they showed it during Ant-Man's mid-credit scene, it looked to me like there were sleeves, just ones made out of a transluscent material.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#39334: Jul 27th 2015 at 9:31:16 PM

She doesn't have to fight. I was thinking that she could act in a mentor or a leader role similar to Fury. They could also rely on a CGI suit if they want her to do action scenes. That's how Iron Man scenes tend to be done now.

edited 27th Jul '15 9:41:11 PM by AlleyOop

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#39335: Jul 27th 2015 at 9:33:14 PM

I previously mentioned that Douglas suggested Catherine Zeta Jones, who is both 20-something years younger than him, fitting with the time difference, and his actual wife.

Lucky bastard.

Also, read her page. I likely would've vastly preferred the 11th Doctor if she was it.

[down]I didn't dislike Matt Smith, I just wasn't a fan of the character of the 11th doctor. Too wacky, and too much focus on the "special girl" arcs. It was annoying.

edited 27th Jul '15 11:16:04 PM by wanderlustwarrior

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#39336: Jul 27th 2015 at 9:54:23 PM

You didn't like Matt Smith as Eleven?

Though I admit, it would have been interesting to have her as the Eleventh Doctor without a doubt.

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Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#39337: Jul 27th 2015 at 10:06:46 PM

Only thing I've seen with CZJ in it was the two Zorros, Chicago and Red 2. Based solely on those, on the subject of Ms Zeta-Jones as the Doctor...heeeeeeeell no.

edited 27th Jul '15 10:08:32 PM by Eagal

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#39338: Jul 27th 2015 at 10:17:35 PM

Marvel has yet to truly introduce the idea of a regular person with a more regular perspective just up and deciding to become a superhero because they have the power and goodwill to do so (the closest we've got is Scott, whose story isn't quite like that), which is probably the best context for a personality and traits like Jan's in EMH or (I'm assuming) the early comics would come into play.

The "stoic/militaristic" characterization is pretty much the standard for Earth's heroes, and the MCU is built on those kinds of characters. The first "regular Joe/Jane" hero we're getting is probably going to be Spidey (well, arguably Jessica - though she doesn't fit the type now she would have during her origin).

edited 27th Jul '15 10:20:20 PM by KnownUnknown

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#39339: Jul 27th 2015 at 10:27:51 PM

Marvel has yet to truly introduce the idea of a regular person with a more regular perspective just up and deciding to become a superhero because they have the power and goodwill to do so

Actually, I'd say that was Steve Rogers in The First Avenger. He decided to join up with Project Rebirth because he just wanted to help people. Of course, he didn't stay normal.

Daredevil might be another example, although he's also not quite normal. But he's pretty normal compared to other superheroes. But he also fights crime because he has the power to do so and wants to improve the city and help people.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#39340: Jul 27th 2015 at 11:12:28 PM

Steve is a soldier - he was trained as a soldier, he thinks like a soldier and acts as one in both the past and the present as one - or a government/military agent. He may have started as an everyman, but he's should definitely be considered to have a different kind of character by the time he actually becomes Captain America.

Likewise, Matt was indoctrinated from a young age by disciple of an order of ancient warriors into the philosophies and martial arts of said order, and while he eventually refused to join that order he is explicitly acting on a personal mission while using his regular life as a cover. The fact that he doesn't really relate to even his closest friends because of it is even a plot point.

edited 27th Jul '15 11:18:51 PM by KnownUnknown

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#39341: Jul 27th 2015 at 11:24:15 PM

Not just that. Both the first and second films had pretty strong implications that part of it was also that he had some self-worth and compensation issues as well. An attitude which probably helped him to be a better hero, but it wasn't purely altruism.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#39342: Jul 27th 2015 at 11:26:53 PM

Steve is a soldier - he was trained as a soldier, he thinks like a soldier and acts as one in both the past and the present as one - or a government/military agent.

Like I said, in the beginning of The First Avengers, he's just a normal guy. He has no training, no big reason for doing what he's doing. He just doesn't like bullies. And then he joins up, gets training, and then becomes Captain America.

I mean, superheroes are inherently abnormal. You aren't going to find a superhero who is just a "normal person," because putting on tights and fighting crime is something that normal people don't do. As soon as someone becomes a superhero, they become something different.

If you are talking about, like, Badass Normal, no training, nothing, eh, that's not really going to happen. Even the Wasp isn't like that — she has her shrinking, her wings, and her stingers and years of experience. If you are talking about the reason why someone volunteers to become a superhero...well, again, Steve Rogers. He wasn't a soldier when he volunteered, he was just a normal guy, which is why Erskine picked him.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#39343: Jul 27th 2015 at 11:33:58 PM

Like I said, in the beginning of The First Avengers, he's just a normal guy. He has no training, no big reason for doing what he's doing. He just doesn't like bullies. And then he joins up, gets training, and then becomes Captain America.

True, but that's not what I'm talking about.

Every superhero start off as "normal" before their origin story - Batman was just an average (if filthy rich) kid. Superman grew up as a small town All American Boy. Etc.

I'm talking about characters like Spider-Man, who retain the "regular joe with regular, 'informal' perspectives, desires and reactions" as an enduring part of their characterization or a major aspect of their approach to superheroing (at least at first, anyway), not just as parts of their origin. A person who would approach superheroing with a less than formal outlook, essentially, who would be more of a casual character rather than the more organized and authoritative characters we have (even Tony, who is more cavalier than the others, is still like that) - the OP was pointing out that that's something the MCU would need to introduce before things like Jan's Action Fashionista characterization would work in its context.

edited 27th Jul '15 11:36:32 PM by KnownUnknown

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#39344: Jul 28th 2015 at 12:58:14 AM

[up]even them peter aproach is power as a duty and responsability, in part because he fuck up once(and because he is spiderman, he get more and more fuck ups).

But I can see the point: bruce see his power as a curse,Falcón,war machine black widow,cap and hawk see as kind of soldier duty,Thor as kind of warrior right to protect others, visión as his purpose in life and Tony...well, we know tony, so have a more happy visión of being a super will be nice, in fact that is why I love andrew garfield versión, since he clearly enjoy his power.

Also...Im the only one who dosent want janet? Because her power set is the same of antman and her time out will make her a female version of Cap, I dont know how they could play with that chararter consider who reduntant she look now

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alioth Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#39345: Jul 28th 2015 at 1:08:14 AM

[up]Nah, you're not the only one. I don't want Janet or the Wasp either. I just want the Red Queen.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39346: Jul 28th 2015 at 1:31:40 AM

Count me in as wanting bubbly Janet. But, please, a little bit more powerful than the Mightiest Hero version. She was pretty useless in the cartoon overall.

And yes, I think Age of Ultron does have an impact on the MCU. I mean, did nobody pay attentions to the newspapers in Ant-Man? "Who is responsible for Sokovia?" It is pretty obvious that the Avengers are still taking heat for this one, even though it is month later, and it might be a big factor which causes the Civil War.

edited 28th Jul '15 1:32:14 AM by Swanpride

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#39347: Jul 28th 2015 at 2:34:03 AM

The problem is the MCU is taking an All There in the Manual kind of approach to AOU, at least so far. That's why I'm kind of torn about the whole Christine Everheart thing. It allows them to flesh out the universe in greater detail, but it also heightens the risk of Continuity Lock-Out for more casual viewers if they stick important information in there.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39348: Jul 28th 2015 at 2:40:48 AM

[up] I don't see the problem. Marvel has been pretty good in getting the audience up to speed on what they need to know to understand the movie.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#39349: Jul 28th 2015 at 3:17:00 AM

[up][up][up]Don't get me wrong I have no doubt his actions will have an impact, the problem is, that impact isn't that different from what Loki did, aside from making Stark a potential responsible. Thing is, when you saw the Age of Ultron trailer, you expected a MUCH bigger implact. Like a world-wide invasion. Or something like in the comic, where he took over an entire nation and turned the population into mechanical zombies. Instead? He just pulled on scheme to turn a city into a meteor so he could recreate the dinosaurs' extinction with humans. And that failed. I kinda found that disappointing and underwhelming. Overall it didn't feel like Ultron was the big threat he appeared to be in the trailer. Which is sad really, because I did find him quite charismatic and enjoyable as a character.

edited 28th Jul '15 3:23:15 AM by Theokal3

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39350: Jul 28th 2015 at 3:27:50 AM

[up]Well, he also forced the Avengers into hiding. Not even Loki managed that.


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