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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#39251: Jul 27th 2015 at 11:06:30 AM

It's still a problem whether it was intentional or not.

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Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#39252: Jul 27th 2015 at 11:14:30 AM

It's still a problem, but it's a problem made worse when people spin the intent from "Spider-Man makes the most money" to "Spider-Man is white".

They pushed back Thor 3 along with Black Panther and Captain Marvel, are we to take that to mean they place less emphasis on white guys in favor of white guys?

edited 27th Jul '15 11:15:37 AM by Khfan429

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39253: Jul 27th 2015 at 11:15:26 AM

I am certainly getting tired of the complains concerning spiderman getting squeezed in. In this case, Marvel has no choice. Sony has to release a Spider-man movie every three years, or they loose the rights. So either Marvel gives up the release-slot and has a say in the character, or Sony makes a movie on their own. Taking this as proof that Marvel doesn't care is pretty ridiculous.

I think we'll have a better idea in three or four years, when Marvel starts to make their phase 4 slate public.

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#39254: Jul 27th 2015 at 11:16:07 AM

Eh, they still could have added the full Wasp if they wanted to.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#39255: Jul 27th 2015 at 11:17:06 AM

I disagree. What's that phrase... "Missing the forest for the trees?" Or something like that.

It doesn't really matter why they let Spider-Man push back Captain Marvel and Black Panther. All that matters is that that is what happened.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
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#39256: Jul 27th 2015 at 11:18:30 AM

Intentions are worth naught to you, then.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39257: Jul 27th 2015 at 11:21:04 AM

And if the deal had been reached sooner they would have pushed The Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy back, too.

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#39258: Jul 27th 2015 at 11:26:04 AM

How much mileage can we get out of complaining about the white devil? More than I'd have thought possible.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#39259: Jul 27th 2015 at 11:26:20 AM

[up][up]Well, no, since they'd still have to follow their "a movie every ____ years" thing, no?

[up]Nobody's complaining about "the white devil" (At least as far as I know). People are simply disappointed that Marvel's first black and female leads are being pushed back to make room for another white male hero, and discussing whether it's fair to blame Spider-Man or just the awkward rights deal.

edited 27th Jul '15 11:28:06 AM by Anomalocaris20

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#39260: Jul 27th 2015 at 11:28:41 AM

About black leads...I said to my friend that I dont want a black guy as human thorch, not only because they obvious jokes, but because the "handsome black dude" and "tought black dude" are the only ones seen in movies, for me is angry black man....minor the angry.

Now, a black REED RICHARDS? THAT could sell for me....really, we need a nerdy black men, or a less one who relies in wit and trickery instead of blunt force, also having a scientist instead of getting his tech atach to him...

Maybe is just me

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39261: Jul 27th 2015 at 11:34:05 AM

Marvel is getting better. If you compare War Machine's role to Falcon's role...there are worlds between them. Same with the females. Small steps, but I am happy about every bit of progress. Especially after ten years of screaming damsel in distress (of we mark the start of the comic book movie era at the late 1990s).

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#39262: Jul 27th 2015 at 11:34:51 AM

As far as I'm concerned the Superhero Movie Genre started in 2008. tongue

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#39263: Jul 27th 2015 at 11:46:53 AM

I mean, the decision was already made to put the movies at the far back of the line. Look at the release schedule.

  • 05/06/2016 - Captain America: Civil War
  • 11/04/2016 - Doctor Strange
  • 05/05/2017 - Guardians of the Galaxy 2
  • 07/28/2017 - Untitled MCU Spider-Man Film
  • 11/03/2017 - Thor: Ragnarok
  • 05/04/2018 - Avengers: Infinity War, Part I
  • 07/06/2018 - Black Panther
  • 11/02/2018 - Captain Marvel
  • 05/03/2019 - Avengers: Infinity War, Part II
  • 07/12/2019 - Inhumans

Black Panther and Captain Marvel are so far down the line that they're actually sandwiched between the Avengers films. The climax event to Phase 3 will already have started by the time they finally get their solo films.

We're finally getting a female-driven film and a minority-driven film, but they're also making damn sure they fit as much White Guy action ahead of it as possible before we do. The new Spider-Man film is just another White Guy flick jumping into the pile of White Guy movies to be made before the minority and female-driven films.

edited 27th Jul '15 11:48:29 AM by TobiasDrake

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#39264: Jul 27th 2015 at 11:48:58 AM

At least we can hope Civil War, Infinity War, and Guardians have decent representation?

I mean, Iron Man and Cap will still be major players in the former, and the latter has Star-Lord, but hey. Maybe also Moon Dragon or Phyla-Vell? Please?

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#39265: Jul 27th 2015 at 11:52:08 AM

...and now that I'm looking at the roster again, I can't help but wonder if the reason they split Infinity War into two films was so they could shove Black Panther and Captain Marvel between Avengers movies. There is a virulent belief in Hollywood that minority and female-driven movies don't sell, and given how Marvel had to be dragged kicking and screaming into diversity, I can't help but see that as an insurance gambit.

"We're going to lose billions on these two films, but hey, the Avengers flicks before and after will each make more money than God, so that will stem the inevitable damage from making films that aren't about White Guys. Then, once we've proven they don't sell, we can go back to making our White Guy flicks, and the women and minorities can shut the hell up."

edited 27th Jul '15 11:52:53 AM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39266: Jul 27th 2015 at 11:53:13 AM

Yeah, but they also introduce Black Panther in Civil War. That's next year. I guess they want to built up the character first a little bit to ensure that his movie finds an audience.

[up]Black Panther only ended up as inbetween because they had to squeeze Spider-man in. But I guess that might be the reason why Captain Marvel and Inhumans are placed that way. Not because Marvel is convinced that they will fail, but just in case they do, they can survive the loss. They do this every year. That's why Got G was paired with The Winter Soldier and Ant Man with Age of Ultron. First the "likely success" and then the "risk".

edited 27th Jul '15 11:58:39 AM by Swanpride

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#39267: Jul 27th 2015 at 11:57:54 AM

I call the movies pre-avenger(or pre-shared universe) phase#0 starting with Spiderman, where finally the special efect star showing what the hero can do, before that it was mosly adaptation concern in telling a particular story

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#39268: Jul 27th 2015 at 12:02:24 PM

Also, though that might be a theory, maybe Captain Marvel's origin fits in the context of the Infinity War and they are placing her movie here for scenaristic reasons. And again: who cares if they pushed back as long as it gets done? At least wait until they cancel them before screaming "Sexist".

What I WILL agree was sexist, on the other, was making nearly no Black Widow merchandising during Age of Ultron and reducing her role to the minimum in that crappy Avengers Assemble cartoon. I mean, I would understand if she wasn't popular due to her lack of flashy powers, but judging by the complains she has quite a fandom, so seriously, what the heck, Marvel?

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#39269: Jul 27th 2015 at 12:07:39 PM

Captain Marvel might be that, since the film was always going to come between Infinity War I and II. Spider-Man only pushed her movie from July to November. Infinity Wars didn't get pushed. Black Panther got pushed from before IWI to after, so that implies either the order of watching those films won't matter, or he don't have a big role in IWI.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39270: Jul 27th 2015 at 12:07:49 PM

Yeah, Marvel deserves all the heat in the world for that. I am not sure how much influence they have on which toys are getting made, but it can't be that difficult to offer some Black Widow related stuff. Or Peggy Carter stuff, for that matter.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#39271: Jul 27th 2015 at 12:34:32 PM

I'm still mad that Inhumans got pushed back. Now they likely won't even meet Thanos and I really wanted to see that.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#39272: Jul 27th 2015 at 12:43:43 PM

@MCU!Carol's origin: If she wants her great comic costume and the actual name she's going to need to meet and be inspired by a man with a star as his family symbol, wearing red and blue called Mar-Vell who a human character confuses for Marvel after hearing the name. This can all be done in either IW or her own movie. They could even set it up so Mar-Vell travels to Earth to help them with Thanos in IW and ends the movie dead after giving his life to save Carol and some other civilians/air force members so Carol can jump straight into her own movie without him.

Or she can just turn out to be an Inhuman who gets activated in the stinger of IW 1, picks red and blue because she likes USA, picks a star because she likes the sun and then gets called a Marvel after flying past Stan Lee. That would be the most simplified origin they can get and she wouldn't even have to be connected to space in any way and could fight whatever enemy they want her to fight instead of anyone connected to the Kree.

Still find it hard to believe they will never mention Mar-Vell since that kills one of the few LGBT characters they have and because he's a Starlin favorite like Warlock and Thanos.

edited 27th Jul '15 1:04:19 PM by LordofLore

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#39273: Jul 27th 2015 at 12:45:08 PM

[up][up]I think Inhumans was always going to be after IWII.

EDIT: Nevermind, read the chart wrong.

edited 27th Jul '15 12:46:04 PM by stingerbrg

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#39274: Jul 27th 2015 at 12:50:01 PM

Or she can just come up with the costume some other way

Say its inspired by the logo for her made up squadron or something.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39275: Jul 27th 2015 at 12:53:44 PM

They can easily change the origin story for Captain Marvel around. They certainly did for Ant-man and Thor.


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