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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Concerning Age of Ultron: I think the Avengers movies have to go big. That is the whole point of team ups. They have to present a problem which is too powerful for one or two Avengers to deal with. (Though I do question if they really need an action scene every five minutes...because the other thing those team-up needs is interaction between the characters). But outside of the Avengers, Marvel can do practically everything. I sometimes wonder if they took inspiration from "The Incredibles" with the concept to make not a Superhero movie, but to try out different genres.
edited 27th Jul '15 7:15:26 AM by Swanpride
My hope for Infinity War:
Infinity War, Part 1: Thanos attacks the Avengers to get the Mind Stone and then they have to go into space and team up with the Guardians in order to stop him. Giant space adventure team up!
Infinity War, Part 2: The Avengers leave a new team of Avengers behind while they are in space: Ant-Man, the Wasp, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Daredevil, and Iron Fist. They are attacked by the Masters of Evil (or Thunderbolts) and fight back.
Voila! Two movies!
I don't think they're going to be able to fit the entire Avengers and all that will entail, plus the Guardians of the Galaxy, into just one part of the movie.
And if the second part of the movie doesn't have anything to do with the Infinity Gauntlet, why is it called Infinity War Part II? That sounds less like a Part II and more "completely different movie enabled by something that happened in the first movie". AKA a sequel.
edited 27th Jul '15 8:22:00 AM by Khfan429
I still think that Civil War will bleed into Infinity war. Like, the situation has gotten worse and worse and all the heroes would like to end the conflict but don't know how, it comes to a big show-down which is interrupted when Thanos turns up, leading to the heroes to suffer a horrible defeat.
In movie 2 the heroes put their differences aside and band together while Thanos prepare to extract the last infinity stone he needs: The Mind Stone. Vision is tragically killed by him prior to a final battle (and it would be great if in the end Loki and Nebula team up, trick Thanos and rescue them all).
On an unrelated note, how do you guys feel about the Fantastic Four in this whole thing? Should they stay Exiled from Continuity, or should Marvel recover them the same way they did with Spidey?
Personally I admit I don't really care either way because (no offense to FF fans) they always were part of my lesser favourite superheroes; not sure why, always found their designs kinda bland, though I do give them credit for being one of the few superhero family to not be disfunctional or broken in anyway. The only real thing I like about FF is Doctor Doom, and I know what makes the character so awesome in my eyes can't be adapted in a movie because of how complex it is.
edited 27th Jul '15 9:31:16 AM by Theokal3
People talk about the MCU "bubble" coming to an end, but I'm sure people once said the same thing about the James Bond franchise. Now it's just generally accepted that that film series will go on forever.
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I can't say I really care that much about the FF either, no. I like them as supporting characters — reoccurring big-name heroes that others can turn to for science-stuff or a helping hand — but as protagonists, it takes a really good writer to make them interesting, (like John Byrne,) and even then, there are still heroes I like more. (Though the ever-lovin' blue-eyed Thing's still pretty cool.) Come to think of it, maybe the new movie will be good for them after-all, because they need some sort of shake-up or another to be interesting again.
edited 27th Jul '15 9:48:32 AM by kkhohoho
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The Fantastic Four aren't very compelling lead protagonists, so I wouldn't want an FF film to be made, but I do want the MCU to be able to add Galactus, Doom, Reed Richards, etc. to their sandbox.
edited 27th Jul '15 9:50:08 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I just think it'd be less confusing if all the Marvel films were set in the same universe. There's just something so... inelegant about Spider-Man having a reboot after the first Iron Man hit theaters, but then the reboot after that is in continuity with a movie that came out before the last reboot. If you ignore all the behind-the-scenes Disney/Sony/Fox conflicts, it seems pretty weird.
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.People talk about the MCU "bubble" coming to an end, but I'm sure people once said the same thing about the James Bond franchise. Now it's just generally accepted that that film series will go on forever.
True, and I would be one of the happiest men on Earth if the MCU ends up with such a fate. However, the issue is, part of what made the MCU work so well was because they took really good actors for the main roles, and many of these actors will be difficult to replace once they get too old or decide they no longer want to make Marvel movies. This is what I personally worry about. Then again, many people thought Sean Connery couldn't be replaced as James Bond...
Anyway, amusing to see many people share my opinion on the FF. Personally, as I said there are aspects I do like about them, like the whole Cosmic Explorer aspect of their team, or their family angle, or their villains. But I just find them less compelling as a superhero team than the X-Men or the Avengers.
I think they work fine if there is actually something to explore for them. And if the movie maker understand that they are explorers and not superheroes per se.
I don't think that you can compare the MCU with the Bond Franchise. Those are basically a bunch of stand-alone movies. I think in the MCU recasts should be avoided and characters have to leave to replaced by others. That's way more complicated.
For me, it's a little tiring to finally, after twenty movies, be getting a minority lead protagonist and a female lead protagonist, only to have them pushed back to make room for another white guy. I don't hold that against Spidey, that's not his fault, but it's yet another sterling example of the studio's disinterest towards women and minorities.
Like I said in my criticism of Ant-Man's treatment of Hope, I'm getting tired of empty promises.
EDIT: Unrelated to my criticism of Marvel's marginalization, here's the reason why you can never quit the MCU
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edited 27th Jul '15 10:59:05 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.
Or, you know, it's Marvel placing priority on a character who already is a Cash-Cow Franchise. Somehow I think it has less to do with sexist/racist prejudice and more with things they know are more likely to make money. You can't just accuse everyone of being chauvinist or racist when there are blatantly more logical reason to act the way they do (especially when you are accusing the Antman movie to be sexist because they focus on Antman-the friggin' title character- rather than on the Wasp). At least they are planning to make movies with female leads and black leads and put actual efforts in it, which is more than could be said in the 90s.
edited 27th Jul '15 11:07:25 AM by Theokal3

True...I mean, even if they stumble on the way through Phase 3, you can bet that everyone will turn up to watch infinity war. The question is if the audience will still want more after that. But exactly for that reason it is important to establish new characters the audience will want to see more of, and hint to new, interesting story-lines.