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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#39176: Jul 26th 2015 at 3:15:33 PM

[up]x2 Same, honestly.

I expect it and Doctor Strange to be my "Incredible Hulk" of Phase 3.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#39177: Jul 26th 2015 at 3:20:26 PM

Anybody else wonder how things would have been different if the Spider-Man deal was made before the second Amazing film came out?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#39178: Jul 26th 2015 at 3:22:18 PM

If the deal had happened earlier and they hadn't killed off Electro at the end of the movie, I'd've definitely wanted to see Electro vs Iron Man at some point.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#39179: Jul 26th 2015 at 3:32:02 PM

Another thing to consider with the Spider-Man reboot is that in addition to skipping the origin story with the deal with Marvel they now have access to all the Marvel villains who aren't licensed out to Fox rather then just the Spider-Man specific ones. So instead of the Green Goblin, he could fight Ulysses Klaw, Baron Zemo, or freaking Stilt Man.

[up]With the reboot they could always bring back Electro down the road. Although given that the Iron Man suit can absorb and power itself with lightning, I'm not sure if Electro could be a meaningful threat to Iron Man....Though if he can also absorb the Iron Man's suit's energy blasts, things could get pretty ludicrous pretty fast.

edited 26th Jul '15 3:37:14 PM by Falrinn

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#39180: Jul 26th 2015 at 4:01:05 PM

"So instead of the Green Goblin, he could fight Ulysses Klaw, Baron Zemo, or freaking Stilt Man."

... I don't know, the show I know the most for making Spidey fight other villains than his classic isn't exactly in my favourite...

Still, I stand by my point none of the movies really has covered everything there is with Spider-Man. There are other things they could adapt.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#39182: Jul 26th 2015 at 4:22:10 PM

Is it? Maybe I should check it.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39183: Jul 26th 2015 at 4:32:06 PM

Ha! I am so happy that I was right about Ant-man being able to hold onto spot one for a second week due to a poor showing of Pixels. Everyone predicted the opposite. (And hopefully it will make the people who claim that Ant-man is a disappointment in the box office shut up).

Upon rewatching Ant-man, I have a couple of questions/thoughts....

Do Pym particle make crazy just from standing beside them? Or why was Cross so crazy...you apparently don't get crazy from using the suit, because the helmet is supposed to protect you (though why wasn't Hank then able to use it anymore?) Was Cross' craziness the result of frying too many sheep? Also...in which city is the story set? Somewhere in California?

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#39184: Jul 26th 2015 at 4:54:57 PM

Cross didn't know about the psychological effects of Pym particles, so probably didn't design the Yellowjacket armor to protect the wearer from that like Hank did.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#39185: Jul 26th 2015 at 4:58:10 PM

[up][up][up][up] So, I scroll down the list of episodes there and the first thing I find is.

Count Dracula (Morgan Freeman) plans to bite the neck of an unsuspecting movie-goer (Judy Graubart). Spidey is able to foil Dracula's plans.

...well.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#39187: Jul 26th 2015 at 5:03:58 PM

Though on second though, that's not so crazy. Though whenever Morgan Freeman plays a villain it's usually a character Playing Against Type (outwardly cruel, vicious, boisterous, etc), Dracula might be the perfect kind of villain for his usual acting - calm, charming but with gravitas, the ability to hypnotize others with his voice...

edited 26th Jul '15 5:04:38 PM by KnownUnknown

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#39188: Jul 26th 2015 at 5:06:26 PM

I'm pretty sure it was set in San Francisco. Or maybe Oakland?

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#39189: Jul 26th 2015 at 5:07:48 PM

I already listed a few storylines they could potentially adapt.

@ Theokal3: I'm gonna go on a limb and guess one of those storylines is Maximum Carnage—

(*gets shot. In the leg.*)

Oh, that's gonna be sore tomorrow.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#39191: Jul 26th 2015 at 5:14:13 PM

@Cross: Unlike the techs we see working on the yellow Pym Particles, he's not wearing protection gear. And he used the particles to kill that one guy in the bathroom. I guess even if he didn't get enough on him to make him shrink, he was still being exposed to it? And dude wasn't entirely stable to start with.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#39192: Jul 26th 2015 at 5:15:34 PM

Pym particles probably emit some kind of radiation that would slowly deteriorate his health.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#39193: Jul 26th 2015 at 5:17:16 PM

honestly the fact that ant-man is doing as well as it is, is more than enough.

as someone said before, it's an unproven character who's never been on the big screen before, with an "unimpressive" power set.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#39194: Jul 26th 2015 at 5:46:29 PM

Ant-Man was the real test of whether Marvel was able to adapt more than what they already had.

Guardians was always going to be a crowd pleaser, given its space opera scale and spectacle (especially since it isn't really a "superhero" movie and wasn't marketed as one - when it comes to superheroes, people are still very traditional even thought he climate is trying to change) - even if didn't do well or people were turned off by the unknown characters, it was unlikely to do poorly.

Ant-Man was a small scale movie with a very straightforward superhero plot, starring a character with a power that typically gets laughed at by the public as being "worthless" (some of the pre-release stuff, like the interview with Letterman and even the trailers, even played that up), a name that is liable to get laughed at for the same reasons (and the trailers played that one up to no end), and a character who is infamous for something that could've easily caused a knee-jerk backlash when the movie was released.

This was the movie that really proved to me that Marvel could handle risky new introductions and brand new faces to use to build up the universe: Scott's the first new headliner in a while that will truly interact with the universe as we usually see it, since while the Guardians are in the MCU, their adventures are intentionally very separate from everyone else's.

edited 26th Jul '15 5:47:11 PM by KnownUnknown

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#39195: Jul 26th 2015 at 5:59:48 PM

With the success of this film I think it's clear that Marvel isn't going to have too much trouble lasting until their current slate of films have been released. I'm kind of curious what they'll do after though. I'd prefer it if they had a concrete plan for ending the franchise instead of letting it crash and burn.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#39196: Jul 26th 2015 at 6:06:35 PM

End the franchise? Why would they ever do that? I mean, Marvel Comics itself has been going on for 76 years (only 52 if you count it from Fantastic Four #1). By the end of Phase 3, they will have barely dipped a toe into all the Marvel characters.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#39197: Jul 26th 2015 at 6:08:17 PM

I don't seriously expect the Marvel Cinematic Universe to go on forever.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#39198: Jul 26th 2015 at 6:12:33 PM

[up]Maybe not forever, but I could see it lasting for another 10 years at the very least. This is a cash cow that Marvel's not going to want to give up until it's breathed its' very last breath.

edited 26th Jul '15 6:18:05 PM by kkhohoho

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#39199: Jul 26th 2015 at 6:15:24 PM

The next big test is probably going to be after Infinity War, since that's what the entire universe has been leading up to for years. Once that's done, they're going to need to figure out how to keep the universe flowing and the interest going without feeling like some kind of Franchise Zombie.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#39200: Jul 26th 2015 at 6:15:42 PM

Nor do I.

I think having an ending in mind is the best possible choice. Actors will get older, ideas will get old, and people will get bored.

The Marvel Cinematic Universe is a massive Adaptation Distillation anyway, taking all the best parts of the different interpretations and eras of Marvel, but it can do the one thing the comic never can: it can end, and on a high note if they do it right.

And it should too. Go on too long, and it will start getting stale. They can come back again when the time is right.

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