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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#39051: Jul 25th 2015 at 9:34:04 AM

There's no E in Asgard.

I preferred Thor 1. More interesting story, better direction, the only film in the MCU in which Thor undergoes any character development, and visually much more entertaining.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#39052: Jul 25th 2015 at 9:49:40 AM

I'm fine with Thor: Ragnarok taking place partially on Earth. They have to show Jane Foster (and maybe Darcy and Selvig). But I hope that they include other locations, especially Asgard and Hel - because you know that's the storyline they are going to adapt.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#39053: Jul 25th 2015 at 9:54:01 AM

Surtur usually doesn't care about Earth/Midgard as a threat to his plans(probably because if he can kill comic!Odin(who has fought evenly with Galactus) and Thor almost no one is strong enough to fight him so the realms after Asgardia are easy picking). Whenever he comes back his goals are usually either to burn Asgardia and kill the gods or everything that exists(and he usually starts with an attack on Asgardia).

I'm hoping a certain lady shows up in some way.

(There's no way one(don't look if you don't want to be spoiled on the final page of Journey Into Mystery) of my favorite moments from the most recent event with Surtur(Everything Burns)makes it in)

edited 25th Jul '15 10:07:15 AM by LordofLore

johnnysasaki Since: Jun, 2012
#39054: Jul 25th 2015 at 10:13:15 AM

Watched Ant-Man this week and liked a lot.Seriously,what kind of sorcery is Marvel doing to make so many good movies with their properties?Even their weakest entries like Iron Man 2 or Thor Dark World I still enjoyed.

Honestly,I don't understand when people talk about "Marvel Fatigue".The movies are not declining in quality(Winter Soldier,Guardians of The Galaxy,Age of Ultron and Ant-Man are the downhill of the MCU?Really?Have you seen how X-Men went from the first two great movies to X-Men 3 and Origins?At least they have been getting back on track since First Class.). By that logic,people should feel Star Wars fatigue,or Star Trek fatigue or Dr.Who fatigue,right?

And is it just me,or is Marvel becoming a reference on how to make great C Gi effects?They have been pulling off gorgeous,well made effects that don't look fake,cheap or unnecessary.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#39055: Jul 25th 2015 at 10:17:55 AM

Well, I do feel a Star Wars fatigue, now that you mention it.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#39056: Jul 25th 2015 at 10:24:43 AM

I'd actually say that best CGI Marvel has had was in Iron Man 1(I think they even brought in people from a video game company(might've been Square Enix's Visual Works team) to make the "inside the helmet face and screens" so it would look real at just a quick glance) in terms of looking like things were just part of the world and real. It's really obvious in the newer film what's there and what isn't there(like Ultron in most of his scenes). It worked in Gotg because it was a space movie.

Might just be me being a film nut who's used to looking at movies from pretty much a reviewer or film maker's perspective. I cringe whenever I see bad camerawork, iffy cuts, CGI monsters/people moving without "real" weight or other things like that.

Edit: Also yeah, I'm feeling it. Same for Star Wars but that's probably because of the huge "buy all the books to find out what happened after VI!" thing Disney are doing.

I'm somewhat amazed I'm not tired at all of the F&F movies at this point considering how long they've been doing them.

edited 25th Jul '15 10:34:03 AM by LordofLore

Psychobabble6 from the spark of Westeros Since: May, 2011
#39057: Jul 25th 2015 at 10:26:57 AM

I'm feeling a little Marvel fatigue, honestly. It's just a lot. I think I'm going to pick a few strings to keep up with and just catch up with the others when they're on TV. Which, honestly, is exactly how a truly faithful comic book adaptation should go.

I still like the Marvel properties, I just don't think I'm going to be first in line at the box office anymore.

And if I claim to be a wise man, well, it surely means that I don't know.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#39059: Jul 25th 2015 at 10:48:20 AM

It's not that I'm completely tired of the MCU films, I'm just more tired of hearing about them. Too much anticipation phase. I'll enjoy most of them when they come out, and for quite a while after.

That said, there are still duds like Iron Man 3 or Age of Ultron or Thor the Dark World.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#39060: Jul 25th 2015 at 10:54:42 AM

I think Thor 1 had one very strong storyline (Loki) and one really weak one (Thor).

that's how i'd put it. if not for loki that movie would have been a complete snoozefest.

edited 25th Jul '15 10:56:23 AM by wehrmacht

Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#39061: Jul 25th 2015 at 10:57:09 AM

I don't think the movies are declining in quality. Thor 1 was hilarious.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#39062: Jul 25th 2015 at 10:59:46 AM

if anything the movies have gotten better. i think gotg and winter soldier are better and more interesting than any of the first few movies besides iron man 1.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#39063: Jul 25th 2015 at 11:08:09 AM

Personally Iron Man 3 was the only one to truly disappoint me. Age of Ultron did too, but much less and only because I was expecting Ultron to do more; aside from that I still think the movie was pretty enjoyable and I'll wait to see the Director's cut.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#39064: Jul 25th 2015 at 11:27:51 AM

There won't be a Director's Cut because Whedon doesn't want to do one.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#39065: Jul 25th 2015 at 11:35:50 AM

I haven't seen Incredible Hulk, but other than that I've enjoyed every film thus far.

Iron Man 2 was probably the most disappointing, but it did have one of my favorite scenes in the MCU ("My greatest creation is, and always will be, you, Tony.")

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#39066: Jul 25th 2015 at 11:46:59 AM

not many people seem to think dark world was much good in general.

I enjoyed it. Didn't have a problem with Malekith like most people, or with Loki.

I'm sure others have their reasons for disliking it, but I thought it was totally fine.

Hell, the only movie I'd flat out disliked is Iron Man 3, and I still not only think it had good things, but I understand pretty much every decision made for the movie, and think how Tony acted in it made mostly complete sense. Even the idea behind Killian and the Mandarin was good, just that......oh god. They went way too far with it.

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wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#39067: Jul 25th 2015 at 11:55:21 AM

i'd say the bigger problem with the whole mandarin thing was that it was easy to see it coming from a mile away.

who does the movie spend more time on? killian or ben kingsley? ben kingsley only really shows up to say he's committing acts of terrorism every now and again. when ben kingsley was outed you naturally just assume it was killian all along because who else would make sense? they already spent a lot of time establishing killian as a VILLAIN, so it's just the most logical conclusion. they act like there's some sort of big suspense, but there isn't at all. it's just a really underwhelming twist.

it's the same thing as ra's al ghul being behind hugo strange in arkham city. you arrive to the conclusion long beforehand by process of elimination, so there's no weight to the twist whatsoever.

not to mention that imo the best part of the movie was tony's ptsd, which i didn't feel got a satisfactory resolution.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#39068: Jul 25th 2015 at 11:56:53 AM

There's no E in Asgard

Asgarde is a cool place to live.

Concept art of the Wasp.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#39069: Jul 25th 2015 at 12:41:57 PM

[up]Some of these concept are somewhat Eldar-like.

"There won't be a Director's Cut because Whedon doesn't want to do one."

Really? I heard exactly the opposite.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39070: Jul 25th 2015 at 12:43:44 PM

Well, it is not Marvel's fault that everything which might even remotely connect to the MCU it is considered big news. Of all the studios, they even were the most low-key at comic-con. And what they are supposed to do? They have a small window with their actors, especially the older ones. They have to shoot the movies with them now, as long as they are still available.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#39071: Jul 25th 2015 at 12:44:45 PM

Personally, I'm not sick at all. I'm eager for Civil War.

This nearly year-long wait is the worst part. tongue

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39072: Jul 25th 2015 at 12:48:11 PM

[up] It really is. Other people might be most excited for another Star wars movie, or for Dawn of Justice. But Civil War is the one I care about the most, along with Got G Vol 2. I can't wait. And I am really glad that Jessica Jones, Ao S and Agent Carter will tide me over in the meantime.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#39073: Jul 25th 2015 at 12:49:34 PM

[up][up]Yeah, I am not sick either. Even though I had some deception I wouldn't say Marvel is weakening. It's already spectacular they got so far.

edited 25th Jul '15 12:49:49 PM by Theokal3

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39074: Jul 25th 2015 at 12:57:46 PM

You know what I am really sick off? The claim that Marvel movies ruin creativity in Hollywood. I mean, what is more creative than a talking tree and a final fight in a bedroom. I have seen so called "original" movies which had less creativity to offer.

edited 25th Jul '15 12:58:05 PM by Swanpride

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#39075: Jul 25th 2015 at 12:58:48 PM

[up]We Are Groot.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?

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