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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#38976: Jul 24th 2015 at 9:16:58 AM

[up]x4 Well, what ultimaepheer said was "I don't like Spider-Man in general because I don't like the movies." They really should've just said something like, "I don't like the movies, so I'm not optimistic about another reboot." There was no need to make their opinion a blanket statement concerning all Spider-Man adaptations ever.

edited 24th Jul '15 9:17:59 AM by spashthebandragon

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#38977: Jul 24th 2015 at 9:17:29 AM

@Swanpride: Well, there are the Clone Saga (if handed properly I think it could be done well), Master Planner Arc, Sinister Six, Goblin Kingdom, Spider-Island...

edited 24th Jul '15 9:18:13 AM by Theokal3

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#38978: Jul 24th 2015 at 9:18:39 AM

With Tobias and Very Melon on this. The whole point of the film adaptations is to bring the character to a more mainstream audience, so judging the character based on how those adaptations handle him is fine. The problem there is not the person being misinformed, but on the adaptation failing in properly showcasing the character. That said, don't do something like judging the comics based on the movies. That's just silly.

Regarding Gwen Stacy, I can see her being brought in but her story being drastically changed for one simple reason: Spider Gwen.

edited 24th Jul '15 9:20:42 AM by Watchtower

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#38979: Jul 24th 2015 at 9:19:16 AM

I hope Marvel retries the Sinister Six idea. Even taking into account that Ant-Man is already a heist movie, I always thought the Sinister Six as an outright villainous version of something like Oceans Eleven would be awesome.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#38980: Jul 24th 2015 at 9:20:36 AM

Sony was apparently planning on doing Clone Saga IIRC which would end with a clone of Gwen with Peter's powers becoming a hero like Ultimate!Jessica Drew(they apparently had the idea before Spider-Gwen was even an idea). Might've even involved alternate dimensions IIRC.

edited 24th Jul '15 9:25:49 AM by LordofLore

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#38981: Jul 24th 2015 at 9:22:01 AM

No, the Spider-Gwen plan was to have her appear from an alternate universe to team up with Silver Sable and stop Doctor Octopus and Mr. Negative.

edited 24th Jul '15 9:22:56 AM by VeryMelon

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#38982: Jul 24th 2015 at 9:23:34 AM

If they do a Sinister Six movie, it still needs to have Spider-Man as main protagonist, not making the Six all Villain Protagonists. Honestly, most of the Sinister Six are just two-dimensional bad guys, and taking the time to properly develop all six of them would just bog down the movie. It's more important that characters like Peter, Aunt May, and Jameson get character development than characters like Rhino, Vulture, and Mysterio.

edited 24th Jul '15 9:24:16 AM by spashthebandragon

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#38983: Jul 24th 2015 at 9:25:56 AM

Sinister Six could be used as a counterpart of the Suicide Squad movie, or to despict them fighting other criminals to try and impose their power in New York's crime community. But I do agree with spashthedragon: unless they retool the character to make them interesting, the Sinister Six are better off as villains in a Spider-Man movie.

I would definitely love if they included Gwen as Spider-Gwen by alternating her so she becomes Spider-Girl in the MCU continuity. Why not? They did make Hope (who was the villainous Red Queen from an alternate future in the comic) the current incarnation of Wasp.

edited 24th Jul '15 9:26:50 AM by Theokal3

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#38984: Jul 24th 2015 at 9:26:29 AM

Oceans Eleven did a decent job setting up eleven characters. Even given that Marvel hasn't been so great with villains, I think they can do six.

Also, the main reason I'm against it being a straightforward "Spidey fights six villain at once!" is that it's basically a repeat of what Marvel should be doing with the Avengers and the Masters of Evil, and a lot less interesting as a result.

Not to mention the "set up multiple characters" might be worse, because now they would have to set up six different villains with six unique motivations from Spider-Man's perspective (which would involve establishing a personal connection with Spider-Man individually), whereas from their point of view they only have to be established in relation to each other, and then can be connected with Spidey as a group.

edited 24th Jul '15 9:33:37 AM by KnownUnknown

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#38985: Jul 24th 2015 at 9:28:37 AM

I really didn't care for the Sinister Six movie having all of them be villain protagonists. I would want to see Spider-Man be the hero of the story fighting all 6 of his past foes instead of being a member of the six on a mission with them.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#38986: Jul 24th 2015 at 9:32:59 AM

Sinister Six is yet another storyline I would prefer them to tackle later, when the characters are better established. Same for the clone saga.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#38987: Jul 24th 2015 at 9:38:36 AM

The idea of making a movie with the Sinister Six as villain protagonists was obviously a desperate move brought on by Sony's desire to have a full-on Cinematic Universe to compete with Marvel's, without actually having any properties other than Spider-Man to fill it. Now that they've wisely given up on that, I doubt it's ever going to happen. If the Sinister Six ever appear, it's going to be as the antagonists of a Spider-Man movie, not as the headliners of their own spin-off.

edited 24th Jul '15 9:39:48 AM by DrDougsh

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#38988: Jul 24th 2015 at 9:43:26 AM

Isn't the current animated series in a Sinister Six arc at the moment?

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#38989: Jul 24th 2015 at 9:48:16 AM

Clearly, the only thing that makes sense is to do a Spider-Verse tie-in movie.

Get Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield to team up with Josh Keaton, whoever's doing the Ultimate cartoon Spidey, and the new MCU Spider-Man. Have them fight one of the Inheritors, the villains from Spider-Verse. Throw in those two Spideys that were commenting on Maguire and Garfield's presence in the comic.

edited 24th Jul '15 9:50:16 AM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#38990: Jul 24th 2015 at 9:53:23 AM

No idea...the current animated from Marvel are all so awful that I don't pay attention to them (even though I have some hope that the Got G one will be better).

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#38991: Jul 24th 2015 at 10:06:35 AM

[up]The thrity-second teaser wasn't too promising. It'll probably be just as obnoxious as the other shows, with just as many painfully heavy-handed shout outs to its movie as Avengers Assemble has.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#38992: Jul 24th 2015 at 10:10:32 AM

Isn't the current animated series in a Sinister Six arc at the moment?

It's next season will be titled "Ultimate Spider-Man vs the Sinister Six". Not sure why because they already introduced the Sinister Six back in season 2 (where they were each introduced in separate episodes one after the others before appearing together and being defeated in the same episode in a rather anticlimatic way), Rhino made a Heel–Face Turn since then and they have already shown up again several times, so yeah, it's not like this will be a big change. It can't even be to catch in the upcoming Sinister Six movie, since that movie was a Sony project and got cancelled.

edited 24th Jul '15 10:11:25 AM by Theokal3

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#38993: Jul 24th 2015 at 10:10:43 AM

[up][up]Someone uploaded a lot more of the show a while ago. The vids were immediately taken down, but I watched them beforehand. And they looked pretty good. I especially liked the explanation why Gamora would suddenly betray Thanos.

edited 24th Jul '15 10:14:02 AM by Swanpride

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#38994: Jul 24th 2015 at 10:13:19 AM

[up]Oh, okay, then. Never mind.

[up][up]At least giving the show a subtitle helps prevent confusion with the Ultimate Spider-Man comics...

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#38995: Jul 24th 2015 at 10:13:39 AM

I have hopes for the Guardians of the Galaxy cartoon as well.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#38996: Jul 24th 2015 at 10:18:54 AM

They moved Jeph Loeb into Marvel TV which is a medium he's less adamant on infantilizing, so things are looking back up in terms of animation.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#38997: Jul 24th 2015 at 10:30:05 AM

Marvel Animation is part of Marvel TV, so Jeph Loeb is still nominally in charge of it. However, I do think he's focused more on the Netflix and AOS/AC side of it now, while Steve Wacker is in charge of the animation (not sure of his ultimate position, however).

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#38998: Jul 24th 2015 at 10:52:45 AM

The problem with Garfield as the actor for Spider-Man is that he makes it really hard to film. He's never in the studio on Mondays, and he eats all the lasagna in the break room. And when they try to film the scene with the spider that bites him? He just kept squishing it with a newspaper.

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