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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#38752: Jul 23rd 2015 at 12:22:50 AM

Hail HYDRA

edited 23rd Jul '15 12:23:21 AM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#38754: Jul 23rd 2015 at 1:55:09 AM

What confused me...if the shrinking doesn't really change the mass, wouldn't the objects have the same weight, no matter how much you shrink them? Which would make Scott really heavy, but apparently he isn't....

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#38756: Jul 23rd 2015 at 6:04:56 AM

Pym particles seem to work on the scientific principle of "If you think about it too hard ant-sized ninjas will beat you up, so shut up already."

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#38757: Jul 23rd 2015 at 6:10:22 AM

Why no one in the Marvel universe has cured cancer or changed the world in a big way has been brought up a bunch of times(Why can't you save someone from a gunshot wound? Time to make a deal with the devil instead! Why can't the 5 smartest people in the galaxy with billions of assets cure cancer after decades? Luckily the cancer patient only made a deal with cosmic horrors in an alternate universe and not this one! Why isn't Stark using his tech to make the world better(he actually made a whole city during Gillen's run after asking himself the same question)? etc)in the comics but this is the best excuse. Tony, Pym, Beast, T'Challa and Reed all usually just go "Errr, you know...Let's go do something else instead!"

edited 23rd Jul '15 6:24:32 AM by LordofLore

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#38758: Jul 23rd 2015 at 6:16:59 AM

It's too bad Marvel doesn't have Sauron. He'd be an interesting villain to see.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#38759: Jul 23rd 2015 at 6:17:02 AM

[up][up]Ok to be fair I'd probably do that too.

While curing cancer, but still.

And at least that guy has an excuse, for most people it's "Sell world-changing tech to save millions of lives? What's that?"

edited 23rd Jul '15 6:17:58 AM by ultimatepheer

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#38761: Jul 23rd 2015 at 6:34:40 AM

Also, someone asked if there was a good cosmic based threat that the Avengers and Guardians could unite to fight in the next phases after beating Thanos with the Gauntlet(and maybe Magus). Well, there was one storyline that Marvel owns pretty much all the characters in that's usually seen as one of the top 5 events they have had... only problem is the Avengers didn't care about it at all in the comics and left it to the Nova Corps, Guardians, Inhumans, Shi'ar, Skrulls, Galactus and Thanos because they were too busy with deposing Osborn(much like they were too busy with Civil War to care about Annihilation and were too busy with World War Hulk to care about Conquest).

In the MCU version you could at the very least get Strange(because a certain popular enemy of his is one of the background big bads)and Carol to be involved(because an alternate version of the person she got her powers from has a pretty big role(getting a famous actor to play the normal character in her movie only to end up dying in the second act would mean no one would expect him coming back to the role 2 phases later)).

Edit: Also if you want to see more Hope as Wasp pray that Marvel doesn't do Secret Invasion soon. They later retconned her death away after people got mad at them and just had the Avengers find her in the Microverse despite Hercules seeing her in the afterlife.

edited 23rd Jul '15 7:00:20 AM by LordofLore

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#38762: Jul 23rd 2015 at 7:13:14 AM

My favourite part of the mythology of Secret Invasion is that hyper religious Skrulls who aren't activated from their sleeper state don't get into the Skrull afterlife and instead go to the afterlives of their cover and spend eternity as ghosts thinking they are their covers.

That's just, really tragic.

EDIT: The Skrulls even did this on purpose, MARVEL has explained in an interview that the ghost of Bucky that appeared once was a Skrull who was assigned the cover of Bucky, and then was promptly executed to ensure the Skrulls even had agents in the human afterlife, and Bucky was their best guess for a hero who was certainly dead. (Turns out he wasn't!)

edited 23rd Jul '15 7:18:21 AM by Whowho

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#38764: Jul 23rd 2015 at 7:20:48 AM

To the best of my knowledge, nobody has ever gone 'we should probably save all these Skrull ghosts who think they're our friends.'

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#38765: Jul 23rd 2015 at 7:22:21 AM

[up][up][up]In short they used the Skrulls as excuse for all their continuity mistakes?

edited 23rd Jul '15 7:22:35 AM by Swanpride

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#38766: Jul 23rd 2015 at 7:22:25 AM

In the grand tale of "Clint Barton's life sucks" it turns out his wife who died was a Skrull and that he has been mourning an enemy who was going to kill him when she went out of her cover if she hadn't died.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#38769: Jul 23rd 2015 at 7:26:20 AM

I'm pretty sure Marvel really doesn't want to put "cancer" and "Black Panther" in the same sentence ever again.

And I thought the little mythology aspect of Secret Invasion was cool. You got a Skrull God who is locked into a certain form, a Skrull Goddess who's forced to constantly change shape, and a story arc of Hercules getting a bunch of gods from other pantheons and a really smart Asian guy to go kick their asses.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#38770: Jul 23rd 2015 at 7:29:57 AM

The tie-ins were good like the Hercules story, Drax killing everyone in Knowhere to find some normal Skrulls and the "Captain Marvel is alive?!" story but the main event was slow, boring and and did nothing terribly interesting.

edited 23rd Jul '15 7:45:57 AM by LordofLore

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#38771: Jul 23rd 2015 at 7:34:00 AM

Yes.◊

Who did he bump into to piss off that badly?

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#38772: Jul 23rd 2015 at 7:39:13 AM

I'm sure there's a technopath somewhere in the marvel universe who would be up for screwing over Hawkeye.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#38773: Jul 23rd 2015 at 7:47:55 AM

Skrull Agents exist for three reasons: To bring back dead characters, to fix continuity issues, and to retcon out dork ages.

Another thing I liked was that non of the Skrulls wanted to be assigned Hank Pym, because that meant they'd have his Bi-polar disorder forced on them, and regardless of how badly they dealt with it the Skurlls would refuse them access to any treatment because it would jeopardize the validity of the cover. They went through three separate Hank Pym assigned agents.

The main event was slow and poorly executed, but the premise is really interesting, and I'm sad that Skrull Sleeper Agents haven't persisted as a thing in the 616 universe.

The event did have Stark get told point blank by a Skrull that he's a fellow Skrull Agent with the justification 'What else could have motivated you to inflict so much destruction to the heroes of Earth?' And Tony just couldn't deal with how plausible that was. That was satisfying to me.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#38774: Jul 23rd 2015 at 7:50:14 AM

Ironically, Pym fans were annoyed that the Skrull retcon removed the Beyond mini-series from his history, since it's pretty much unanimously agreed that it was the best showing Hank had gotten in years.

edited 23rd Jul '15 8:02:34 AM by comicwriter


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