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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
@Rob: I'd actually say this is one of the best treatments of Pym he's ever had. He clearly holds a level of pedigree and respect that his comic book counterpart has long sought out, the Pym Particles are made into a greater threat, and while it's blatantly clear that he's fucked up a lot the movie works to have Pym try to make amends instead of the Never Live It Down hammering that the comics have (YMMV on how well the movie does).
Yeah, but if people are now latching on to the mistake he made in the movie (not using Hope in the suit, imploding the building etc), then I'm just afraid that they failed to get Hank out of his Never Live It Down status. They just traded one Never Live It Down moment for a whole new one.
It's like people want to find a reason to hate him.
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Sure, though not having to be compared to a certain stretchy genius probably helps matters.
edited 22nd Jul '15 5:52:41 PM by kkhohoho
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Sure, but there's still the billionaire playboy engineer businessman, the leading mind in gamma radiation, and the upcoming science prodigy.
edited 22nd Jul '15 6:39:38 PM by Watchtower
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Except that Tony is more of a mechanic than a straight scientist, Bruce is only smart half the time and is a dumb brute the other half, and I've always gotten the impression that while Spidey's smart, he's not super-freaking-genius smart. He's on the level of most geniuses in the real world, but guys like Bruce, Hank or Reed are on a different level. So Hank still doesn't really have a lot of competition here.
edited 22nd Jul '15 6:49:22 PM by kkhohoho
Well, Spidey didn't go to college yet, nor has the access to the equipment the others have. With time, however, he could have his own arc fighting against the government wanting to make an army of spider-men. By then, he'll be an old man, trying to save Parker Corp with the help of a random criminal instead of his d-WAIT A MINUTE!
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...Ah. And since Hank didn't create Ultron here, and likely introduced the Pym Particles before Tony could come up with any major doo-hickies, (due to the age gap) he's got a more solid footing here, right? In fact, since Tony and Bruce actually created Ultron here, it's probably those two who will get the blame rather than Pym. So Hank not creating Ultron might actually have worked in his favor.
edited 22nd Jul '15 7:04:11 PM by kkhohoho
Impossibly useful indeed, considering the object's weight is reduced despite it supposedly just decreasing volume, not mass.
If Scott can punch with the force of a 200-pound man distributed over an area the size of a pinpoint, then he should logically also sit on an ant with the force of a 200-pound man distributed over an area the size of a pinpoint. Similarly, the shrunken cargo shouldn't weigh less, it should be even worse since it'd start punching holes in the floor of the boat or whatever is transporting it.
And Thomas the Tank Engine should have become transparent, partially intangible, and less dense than air in the finale, floating away into the sky never to be seen again.
edited 22nd Jul '15 7:38:41 PM by Anomalocaris20
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Simple answer: Hank Pym Is Useless.
Longer answer: Most Superhero comics want to resemble the real world as much as possible, hence why Reed didn't revolutionize mankind long before he became Mr.Fantastic (since he was always super-smart,) or in a more movie-relevant example, why Hanks' Pym Particles were never picked up for mass distribution, despite being able to potentially solve world hunger amongst many other issues. When Super-geniuses in comics do have an effect on the world, than that world doesn't resemble the real world as much, which is why most of those comics take place in AU's or separate universes ala Watch Men.
edited 22nd Jul '15 7:41:19 PM by kkhohoho
It's kind of funny that the movie avoids the issue of Hank being compared to other superhero scientists like Tony Stark by making him a contemporary of Howard Stark instead, to which he's a pretty good foil (though that's probably not a problem that would've hit him in the MCU anyway).
In fact, there's a case to be made that MCU Ant-Man was the Iron Man of his day, right down to refusing to let the government get their hands on his research while also lending his skills to aid them.
edited 22nd Jul '15 9:23:22 PM by KnownUnknown
He's probably well aware of the good that can be done with the Pym Particles, it's just the pesky "Itwould be awesome if we could mass produce this stuff for military applications" thing that he's got a problem with.
Additional: Spoilering for post-credits Ant-Man scene I'm thinking Stark and Rogers aren't enemies in Civil War. Or at least, not because of the Registration or Accords as it was called in the scene. When they found Bucky, Rogers and Wilson's first thought would be to ask Tony for help. Well, debating on calling him in and A) If he would believe them and 2) If the "Accords" would allow Stark to help. Just a thought I had after watching that scene for the fifth or sixth time.
edited 22nd Jul '15 9:27:30 PM by GethKnight
He *elects* to be useless. Because he keeps the tech a secret. Heck, Cross makes the same mistake. I mean, we see him shrink a computer, and then he is all "Drat, can't shrink living things yet, how will I ever make money off this if I can't sell micro-assassins?".. Which is seriously insane. Shrinking inanimate objects is a colossal earner right there.
Hilariously, blowing up the building isn't just unethical, it ought also just not work. "Off-Site Backup". It's not only a thing, its obligatory.
Doesn't the current Marvel Universe (at least till it's rebooted in another year or two) have Peter Parker in charge of some tech company?
The profits in shipping alone...
It also raises some interesting questions: when an object is shrunk, what qualities are diminished and which qualities are retained. Pym Particles already cheat their own logic in order to allow Ant-Man to punch with full-size strength, what else does that apply do? Would a shrunken computer be as powerful as a full size one, as apposed to a computer made that size the old-fashioned way? Probably, given that the Yellowjacket suit has to have had a few computers in it, and if so Cross Tech could've pretty much owned everything without having to do a single illegal thing.
Hell, he could've stayed in military contracting if he wanted to. There's not much reason why Yellowjacket needed to be a suit instead of a drone. Drone better indeed.
But then, it makes sense. For Cross it's not just about being rich. It's about being better than Hank at everything, including making and/or being a better Ant-Man.
edited 22nd Jul '15 9:38:34 PM by KnownUnknown
Doesn't the current Marvel Universe (at least till it's rebooted in another year or two) have Peter Parker in charge of some tech company?
Parker Industries. And post-Secret Wars (which is not a reboot), he will still be the head of Parker Industries, which will then be a global company. (He'll be the new Tony Stark, basically.)
I know that this is a bit off of you guys' topic, but I am really interested in seeing what HYDRA does now that they have their hands on the Pym Particles. Heck, if they manage to create suits of their own, that could cause serious trouble.
I'm just glad that HYDRA is still a threat. After AOU, I almost thought that they were done for (one problem I had with it). But cut off one head........

I'm not necessarily saying Cap wasn't in the right. We as viewers have an objective viewpoint where we can judge the actions of each character and decide if they're justified based on the situation. My point is that for some reason people are willing to let this kind of thing slide for Cap but they won't extend that to Hank.