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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

StarOutlaw Since: Nov, 2010
#38651: Jul 22nd 2015 at 10:42:37 AM

Apparently Wakandans are Thundercats.

This is just a personal gripe, but an extremely big pet peeve for me but I HAAAAAAATE that the Wasp costumes have four wings instead of two. I think it looks really ugly. I don't care if four wings makes hovering easier. But if anyone else likes four wings, that's cool.

edited 22nd Jul '15 10:47:25 AM by StarOutlaw

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#38652: Jul 22nd 2015 at 10:46:06 AM

Peter had always a talent to make his own life miserable...starting with selling pictures of Spider-man to the one newspaper which not only has a stingy boss, but also smears his name at every opportunity. I hope the MCU can balance that a little bit better.

I somehow imagined Wakanda heavily influenced by Egypt architecture, but modernized.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#38653: Jul 22nd 2015 at 10:50:02 AM

I like the four wings just because, well, wasps have four wings.

It also sets it apart from the Falcon suit.

Seriously though. Boob socks.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#38654: Jul 22nd 2015 at 10:50:11 AM

Pyramids have their place in futuristic architecture, so there's that. Most designs for arcologies are pyramid-shaped. It could work in moderation. Maybe the capital building is an ancient pyramid, and the movie starts with a tour of it describing all the modern improvements that were made, but the pyramid itself was kept because of tradition. The panther statues aren't that different from any random statues the rest of the world has.

It's the panther tanks and laser spears that are ridiculous. Clothing, too, can easily be done wrong very quickly.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#38655: Jul 22nd 2015 at 10:51:29 AM

[up]There are a couple of designers who do "ethnic" fashion. I am sure they could draw inspiration from that.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#38656: Jul 22nd 2015 at 10:53:44 AM

[up][up][up][up] The earlier reference to Parker Industries is actually a good example of Parker fucking up his own life. One of the first things he thinks of doing after becoming CEO (long story) is trying to use the company to develop ways to detain supervillains, which is immediately recognized as a mindset doomed not only to crash and burn, but to take the company with it.

edited 22nd Jul '15 10:54:25 AM by Watchtower

StarOutlaw Since: Nov, 2010
#38657: Jul 22nd 2015 at 10:55:29 AM

[up][up][up][up]Okay, granted, they do technically have four, but I just hate it when they're depicted as looking more like dragonfly wings. It just ends up looking a lot less sleek to me. They're not like Falcon's wings anyway since they beat so fast for hovering. But like I said, pet peeve.

edited 22nd Jul '15 10:55:41 AM by StarOutlaw

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#38658: Jul 22nd 2015 at 11:36:56 AM

Remind me, can Wasp fly with those wings even at full size? Or does she need to be small to attain lift, the same way Ant-Man needs to be small to leap around everywhere like a bullet?

edited 22nd Jul '15 11:37:20 AM by Anomalocaris20

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#38659: Jul 22nd 2015 at 11:38:20 AM

She was flying at full size in the film.

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#38660: Jul 22nd 2015 at 11:39:45 AM

No, she was flying at shrunk size in the film. She needed to shrink even smaller to enter the ICBM, which is why she was lost to the Quantum Realm.

...

Wasn't she?

edited 22nd Jul '15 11:40:12 AM by TobiasDrake

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#38661: Jul 22nd 2015 at 11:40:24 AM

[up][up]Hmm.

Not sure how I feel about that. Falcon's wings only work because they have built-in thrusters, Wasp's wings don't and look like they're meant to simulate real-life bug wings, which would only work at a small scale.

[up]Yeah, I thought we only saw her at mini-size during the film.

edited 22nd Jul '15 11:41:32 AM by Anomalocaris20

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#38662: Jul 22nd 2015 at 11:41:23 AM

...I'm not usually a "plot hole" kinda guy, but it did strike me as odd that the Ant-Man suit only seems to have "regular size", "ant size", and "exit reality size". You would think there would be some inbetweens.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
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#38663: Jul 22nd 2015 at 11:42:45 AM

Strikes me as odd that when you shrink down to "exit reality size", you can still finish doing whatever it was you were doing before slipping into the Quantum Realm. The Quantum Realm is a fairly considerate chap, he's willing to wait.

edited 22nd Jul '15 11:43:01 AM by TobiasDrake

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#38664: Jul 22nd 2015 at 11:43:44 AM

[up][up]The inhibitor on the suit specifically stops the shrinking at "ant size" for the exact purpose of preventing "sub-leptonic size". Possibly, once you shrink smaller than ant size it becomes a runaway process that the suit cannot stop. Or perhaps Pym calculated that that size was ideal for balancing size, strength, and durability or something, and never saw reason to allow for sizes outside of that binary.

[up]It's more that Janet and Scott were doing what they needed to do as they were shrinking. They slipped in between the molecules but hadn't gone subatomic just yet I think.

Which brings up the different plothole of how they're small enough to slip between titanium molecules yet DON'T slip between the molecules of whatever system they're trying to destroy. Logically, if Scott shrunk enough to pass through the device on Cross's back he shouldn't have been able to punch up the reactor inside, he should have passed through it like he did the armor, then harmlessly passed through Cross's chest cavity and come out the other side all while still shrinking into nothing.

edited 22nd Jul '15 11:47:50 AM by Anomalocaris20

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#38665: Jul 22nd 2015 at 11:46:30 AM

.....

I just realized:

Remember how Ant Man was nothing but an Urban Legend until recently (Cross showing the video of him in action)?

Remember how Black Widow sent out all of shields secrets into the internet?

And now I finally get why Cross found out he was being snow-balled.

In fact, it's possible that Falcon used those same files to learn about Ant Man (and might have found out about Scott as well through plain old detective work).

On another note, Sam fought extremely well on his own against someone who was a complete anomaly, with a power that let the previous Ant Man clobber entire groups of well armed soldiers. That's pretty awesome truthfully.

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#38666: Jul 22nd 2015 at 11:50:28 AM

[up]I like your theory.

About Spider-Man's webshooters, frankly there are problem both with the organic and natural ones. With the organic, it raises the question of why he produces his web from there despite spiders producing it from... well, you know. With the mechanical ones, it makes you wonder where he found the means to build such a sophisticated product (especially if he is broke), why he doesn't just sell it to get more money, why he never got killed by running out of web at the worst time, and so on.

A friend of mine once imagined an actually nice alternative, where Peter had organic web-shooter, but the web was weaker and not particularly useful; then he developped devices and mixtures to turn it into the highly resistant web he uses for a fight.

edited 22nd Jul '15 11:53:35 AM by Theokal3

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#38667: Jul 22nd 2015 at 12:00:14 PM

For butt web shooting superheroes, there's always Spinnerette.

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#38668: Jul 22nd 2015 at 12:06:04 PM

Which brings up the different plothole of how they're small enough to slip between titanium molecules yet DON'T slip between the molecules of whatever system they're trying to destroy. Logically, if Scott shrunk enough to pass through the device on Cross's back he shouldn't have been able to punch up the reactor inside, he should have passed through it like he did the armor, then harmlessly passed through Cross's chest cavity and come out the other side all while still shrinking into nothing.

They seemed to pass through a seam both times they slipped through the metal, so maybe they weren't small enough to qualify as subatomic just yet?

I don't know, I'm spitballing here. I still kind of like the image of the Quantum Realm in a top hat and monocle sitting on a nearby wire and going, "Oh, pardon me. Do take your time, we can leave whenever you're ready."

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#38669: Jul 22nd 2015 at 12:38:17 PM

For those wondering how Wasp's most iconic/well liked costume looks like in the comics.

Also, comic!Microverse where one of the pre-Bendis!Guardians comes from(not Mantis as so many sites seem to think since they don't do research).

edited 22nd Jul '15 12:46:00 PM by LordofLore

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#38670: Jul 22nd 2015 at 12:42:07 PM

@Theokal- That's a good summation of the problems with each.

Joking suggestion. How about a combination?- Peter produces webbing... naturally (i.e. from the butt) but constructs webshooters to fire it?

More seriously, I think technological webshooters are more plausible if Peter is firing some kind of glue rather than a synthetic chemical as durable as spider silk. Also, as shown with ASM, it's possible to have a webshooter that looks like something that could reasonably be created by a (very smart) teenager with a limited budget.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#38671: Jul 22nd 2015 at 12:42:15 PM

Egh.

Her Earth's Mightiest Heroes costume isn't much better, but I still prefer it to that.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#38672: Jul 22nd 2015 at 12:45:25 PM

So are we just not spoiler-tagging shit anymore? Oh well.

If I'm recalling the comics right, the wings of the Wasp suit are ridiculously tiny so that they only truly emerge when shrunken down. Don't know why Pym decided not to here, but it could be something that comes up later. It was still in process.

And I like Rob's theory. Cross proves with finding out about the Scott vs. Sam fight how good he is with Google-Fu; reading through everything SHIELD has to offer is well within his grasp.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#38673: Jul 22nd 2015 at 12:45:36 PM

Wasp has had many great costumes over the years but this pretty recent one is not so great. She can kill someone with that helmet.

edited 22nd Jul '15 12:47:30 PM by LordofLore

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#38674: Jul 22nd 2015 at 12:52:12 PM

Yeah, her new costume makes her look like a bullet. I supposed that could be the point if killing people on a regular basis was part of her new M.O., but she's still an Avenger, abiding by rules of reasonable force while quietly ignoring the occasional writer who insists that Avengers never kill anybody ever and the occasional fan who insists that superheroes should always be killing everybody all the time.

edited 22nd Jul '15 12:52:43 PM by TobiasDrake

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#38675: Jul 22nd 2015 at 1:03:42 PM

@Hodor2 I like that compromise. As for the running low on web fluid problem he periodically runs into, maybe his body has limited natural reserves that slowly replenish, and using too much of it is taxing on his body.


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