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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#38401: Jul 20th 2015 at 6:02:03 PM

[up]x3 That's why I think he's great, personally.

edited 20th Jul '15 6:02:12 PM by Mukora

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#38402: Jul 20th 2015 at 6:03:56 PM

I think what held Hope back from being more involved was the legacy of the Wright draft. She wasn't even in his draft, so they could only have her do so much without gutting the entire script and starting over from scratch.

That's definitely possible. Personally I walked into the movie with the expectation that Hope van Dyme must at least meet the standard of War Machine in the first Iron Man movie and she exceeded that standard. While she never had the suit she played a pivotal role in the climax and got to use the ant-controlling aspect of the Wasp powers doing it. She was also explicitly presented with the Wasp suit at the end rather then it simply being foreshadowed.

While I think it's a safe bet that we'll see her in Infinity War, I do hope she'll at least get a cameo prior to that. Either in Civil War, even if she just pops in for a minute or two to help with whatever Scott Lang's doing, or heck an episode of Agents of SHIELD since her powers are hardly outside a TV show's budget. Basically I don't want to have to wait until 2018 to see her in the Wasp costume

edited 20th Jul '15 6:06:15 PM by Falrinn

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#38403: Jul 20th 2015 at 6:04:04 PM

i thought ronan was really, really bland, personally. serviceable, certainly, but Got G was good for its quirky take on space operas and its great visuals, not the villain.

edited 20th Jul '15 6:06:36 PM by wehrmacht

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#38404: Jul 20th 2015 at 6:06:36 PM

[up] Lee Pace going Large Ham made Ronan very entertaining to me, personally.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#38405: Jul 20th 2015 at 6:07:22 PM

[up][up][up][up]The fact that he was more punchline than villain??

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#38406: Jul 20th 2015 at 6:07:47 PM

Yeah, basically. I mean, personally I thought the party scene was really creepy, but other than that.

edited 20th Jul '15 6:08:14 PM by Mukora

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#38407: Jul 20th 2015 at 6:08:19 PM

....Yeah, I've got nothing for that.

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Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#38408: Jul 20th 2015 at 6:28:35 PM

Never cared for the word "quip". It's a weird word.

Quip. Quip.

It's weird.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#38409: Jul 20th 2015 at 6:31:33 PM

@Hope's decreased role due to Wright's script: That's actually something I hadn't considered. Yet another reason I'm glad he was kicked off the project. She's one of the best things about the movie.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#38410: Jul 20th 2015 at 6:43:42 PM

Yeah, Evangeline Lilly is great. I hope the Ant-Man sequel gives her equal billing with Scott Lang (if the movie gets one at all) and is called something like The Wasp and Ant-Man instead of something as uncreative as Ant-Man 2.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#38411: Jul 20th 2015 at 6:46:41 PM

I did love how they got "Tales to Astonish" in the movie (Tales to Astonish was the anthology comic that Ant-Man and the Wasp first appeared it). Thor also had a reference to "Journey Into Mystery." It's too bad that the first Iron Man didn't have any reference to "Tales of Suspense."

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#38412: Jul 20th 2015 at 6:47:32 PM

I get the feeling Ant-ony being named Subject 247 is also a reference to something...

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#38413: Jul 20th 2015 at 6:47:34 PM

[up][up][up] Who gets top billing?

I can understand why people were disappointed with Ultron (I will confess I'd like to ask Whedon why he did decided to do him like that), but I've never really seen a robot villain like that, so I'll cut him some slack there.

I thought he had some menacing bits here and there, at least.

edited 20th Jul '15 6:48:05 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#38414: Jul 20th 2015 at 6:54:42 PM

I'd actually prefer it if they just made a Wasp movie instead of Ant-Man 2.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#38415: Jul 20th 2015 at 6:57:47 PM

Agreed. Seeing as Ant-Man did only soso box office-wise (though still good enough considering), the name change may be to the film's benefit. Especially if her appearances in other films build up a fandom the way Falcon and Coulson did.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#38416: Jul 20th 2015 at 7:01:17 PM

Yeah, I hope they do Ant-Man & the Wasp as well. In fact, I think they should do a split movie — half of it takes place in the '70s/'80s with Hank and Janet on an adventure and half of it takes place in present day with Scott and Hope, probably with some connecting thread between them.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#38417: Jul 20th 2015 at 7:02:54 PM

[up][up]Isn't it the tiniest bit premature to say how a film "did" at the box-office when it's only been out for a few days?

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#38418: Jul 20th 2015 at 7:04:20 PM

By my understanding films are often measured as much by their opening week as by their final take home.

edited 20th Jul '15 7:04:33 PM by Eagal

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#38419: Jul 20th 2015 at 7:07:29 PM

Seeing as Ant-Man did only soso box office-wise (though still good enough considering), the name change may be to the film's benefit.

Counting foreign box office, it has already grossed $114 million. It's budget was $130 million. It's only so-so by the standards of the MCU's other movies — $58 million opening weekend is one of the lowest (although still not as low as Incredible Hulk), but Thor and Captain America: The First Avenger both were in the $60-65 million range for their opening weekends.

So I'd say, so far, it's pretty average. (Also, it was #1 at the box office, so there's that.)

edited 20th Jul '15 7:07:56 PM by alliterator

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#38420: Jul 20th 2015 at 7:08:46 PM

It could still make a decent amount of money but a poor opening weekend generally means the movie won't perform very while.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#38421: Jul 20th 2015 at 7:11:28 PM

So what was the deal with Wright not doing anything with Hope anyway?

And Janet only had a mention in his original script as well.

As I understand it, the movie was even more self contained then it was in this (with the falcon fight being added in; I hadn't even noticed the two were never in the same scene together until someone brought it up, which is actually pretty impressive for a tossed in scene like that).

What exactly was Wright doing?

One Strip! One Strip!
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#38422: Jul 20th 2015 at 7:16:47 PM

What Wright likes to do: Not have women.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#38423: Jul 20th 2015 at 7:19:13 PM

Lowest opening weekend since The Incredible Hulk.

Of course, as the article itself points out, context is key. When you consider the lower budget, relatively short advertisement season, public Wright drama, "lame" main character, and so on, it's not a bad performance at all. It's not the runaway success Guardians of the Galaxy was, but it's all relative. Doesn't mean Marvel won't still want to aim for more in the future.

edited 20th Jul '15 7:21:31 PM by AlleyOop

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#38424: Jul 20th 2015 at 7:29:29 PM

[up] True. While it might not be the crushing, massive success the MCU typically enjoys (unless it's box office gets some serious legs), it's not a bomb by any stretch of the imagination and will likely turn a reasonable profit by the time it's out of theaters.

On a practical level this means Ant-Man and Wasp won't be cut out of future projects (which could of happened if it bombed) and we'll probably get another film in the Ant-Man franchise somewhere in Phase 4. Had it been a massive success they might of fast-tracked a sequel into Phase 3.

edited 20th Jul '15 7:32:49 PM by Falrinn

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#38425: Jul 20th 2015 at 7:39:26 PM

Also Ant-Man and Wasp will likely appear in other Phase 3 films, such as Civil War and Infinity War.


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