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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#38176: Jul 19th 2015 at 11:31:10 AM

No. Okay, maybe yes. Okay, checked Wikipedia, I did not know that, but yes, he is his half-brother.

edited 19th Jul '15 11:32:34 AM by alliterator

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#38178: Jul 19th 2015 at 12:26:13 PM

Finally saw Ant-Man today.

HOLY GOD, WAS IT AWESOME! gringrin

The fighting and shrinking was all over the place! In a good way! grin

I loved the Ant-Man vs. Falcon fight! grin

And I loved the Wasp tease and the Civil War clip teasing Ant-Man.

Vulture is a good choice.

It's actually kinda funny when you realize that Sam Raimi wanted to use Vulture for when Spider-Man 4 was going to be a thing.

RE: GDT directing Inhumans:

Didn't he already finish with Crimson Peak and was established to not be in the Justice League Dark movie?

Besides, it was just a random but cool idea I had after reading about how he had to sacrifice Justice League Dark to do Pacific Rim 2. I mean, can anyone else think of any other good candidates? Maybe The Wachow-

(Everyone pulls guns and point them at him.)

...

Oo-kay, I'll be quiet about The W-words.

Really though, if not Guillermo, then who else?

TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Dark Eye
#38179: Jul 19th 2015 at 12:32:34 PM

Ant Man was indeed good, as others have said. They managed to pull of his powers actually seeming useful and set up a reasonable link for how he gets into the wider super-world, which are both fairly important.

Also, Giant-Ant and Thomas the Tank Engine bursting through the wall were hilarious. Nice to see Hope has a suit waiting for her. Is she going to be in Civil War?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#38180: Jul 19th 2015 at 12:34:53 PM

I'm wondering if he's going to stay Ant Man, or if we'll see him go big at one point?

Then again, Scott is better known for being just Ant Man.

It's Hank who did the giant thing, and we won't see it from this version.

If anything, he seems to be drawing more from his Hank Pym, super scientist phase when he actively shrunk devices and acted more as a support dude.

I suppose they can just introduce Bill Foster as Giant man.

One Strip! One Strip!
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#38181: Jul 19th 2015 at 12:53:35 PM

Wasn't there a rumor from JoBlo that we'll see Scott as Giant Man in Civil War?

edited 19th Jul '15 12:54:19 PM by higherbrainpattern

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#38182: Jul 19th 2015 at 1:00:03 PM

I am not really interested in seeing Giant Man. He is one of those characters which are a little bit too powerful for my taste. Plus...well, if Scott is exactly as strong as he is in his normal body in his small form, wouldn't that mean that in his big form he still would have only the strength of a normal man? What use is the size than? Being able to look over buildings? I think any of the flying avengers could take care of that.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#38183: Jul 19th 2015 at 1:11:36 PM

[up]Giant Man's never really been that powerful. He's strong, sure, but it's been pointed out more than once that he's not on the same level as Thor, Hercules, Hulk, etc., and on top of that, he's so large that's he clumsy, and sometimes ends up as more of a liability than anything else. This is part of the reason why Hank started having his breakdowns in the first place: He tried to be more like the other heroes, but was unable to live up to them, and it wasn't just himself thinking this either, because it's Tony that first brought it up. Since then, he's relied more on his science and his other abilities than his Giant Man abilities, and I think he's the better for it.

edited 19th Jul '15 1:42:03 PM by kkhohoho

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#38184: Jul 19th 2015 at 1:14:34 PM

Giant Man is pretty much a scrub compared to any of the +100 ton guys like Tony, Thor, and Hulk.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#38185: Jul 19th 2015 at 1:14:58 PM

Even if he doesn't become Giant Man they could still have him switch rapidly between small, normal, and giant sized. It would make for some interesting fight scenes at least.

I was actually expecting him to grow big in the finale.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#38186: Jul 19th 2015 at 1:16:58 PM

He stopped becoming Giant Man for a long time because someone pointed out that people like Thor essentially accomplish the same thing strength-wise without making themselves into massive targets.

However, within the specific context of the MCU, right now the Avengers are lacking in raw strength since Iron Man, Thor, and Hulk are gone. And if Vision and War Machine end up on Iron Man's side as people think, then Cap's Avengers would need some raw power.

edited 19th Jul '15 1:17:47 PM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#38187: Jul 19th 2015 at 1:17:05 PM

[up][up][up]Which makes it even more useless to include him.

[up] I assumed that Captain Marvel would provide the raw power.

edited 19th Jul '15 1:18:10 PM by Swanpride

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#38188: Jul 19th 2015 at 1:19:34 PM

What makes you think Carol would be in the movies with her powers this early?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#38189: Jul 19th 2015 at 1:28:33 PM

[up]Well, she gets her own movie? And I doubt that there will be a need for raw strength before Infinity war.

Really thinking about it...I suspect that it is quite deliberate the Hulk and Thor are removed from Civil war. Because if one of them starts a fight, it would end in a catastrophe. The others already do more than enough damage.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#38190: Jul 19th 2015 at 1:38:14 PM

Besides, it was just a random but cool idea I had after reading about how he had to sacrifice Justice League Dark to do Pacific Rim 2. I mean, can anyone else think of any other good candidates? Maybe The Wachow-

All joking aside, I've always been curious as to what, exactly, is wrong with the Wachowski brothers. I know everyone hates Matrix 2 and 3, and I know why, that's not what I mean. I mean what changed between 1 and 2? Did they lose good writers? Did they get Protection from Editors and it turned out their ideas didn't work uncensored?

I mean, they've had good ones since. For Speed Racer, they set out to make a live-action anime and they do so flawlessly, though a lot of critics hated it since they thought it would be the Matrix with cars, all deep and philosophical and junk. But they've also had bad ones since, like Jupiter Ascending (though I haven't seen that myself, everyone tells me it's average at best).

So what changed?

Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#38191: Jul 19th 2015 at 1:41:29 PM

First: They aren't brothers. They're just the Wachowskis. Lana is a woman.

Second: I'd say Jupiter Ascending is pretty good. It's definitely no worse than any other popular space opera. And they've also had Sense8, which is amazing. They've had as many missteps I guess, but I don't think their track record is that abysmal.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#38192: Jul 19th 2015 at 1:45:04 PM

They made one of the most influential and iconic action movies of all time, so their whole career since then has basically been a case of Tough Act to Follow. It's like the joke from Superbad where they talk about how Orson Welles made his best film too early on and never had anything on that level ever again.

That and their two most high profile pics since then were high profile for the exact wrong reasons.

edited 19th Jul '15 1:46:14 PM by comicwriter

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#38193: Jul 19th 2015 at 1:49:12 PM

Really though, if not Guillermo, then who else?

Very few of the MCU movies have been directed by established or well known filmmakers. So Inhumans will likely be directed by someone who isn't terribly known right now.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#38194: Jul 19th 2015 at 1:52:27 PM

Jupiter Ascending's a bit odd, from what I've seen: some people like it, some people like it ironically, and people just flat-out don't like it. I'm not particularly interested myself, so I can't really say anything else.

As for Kraven, I think he could be a good villain. Part of me wonders if having him show up to hunt Spider-Man is a good idea for the first movie in this reboot, but if they plan on introducing him in Civil War, it could work. Having him start off as a pre-established hero would definitely be refreshing (although I think we should have a brief flashback or two) just to reestablish the basics).

edited 19th Jul '15 1:54:34 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#38195: Jul 19th 2015 at 1:56:58 PM

I think that when The Matrix came out, everyone was so impressed with the effects that it was easy too overlook the structural problems. Plus, it had the benefit that everyone kept reading a deeper meaning in the movie. And then part 2 and 3 came out and made the audience question if the deeper meaning is perhaps only pretentious bs after all.

The Matrix has also one big weakness: The characters are at the end of the day very boring and forgettable. Everyone remembers the slow motion but the only thing I remember about the characters was that this one guy was called Nemo and was in some sort of romance. And that is something which is noticeable in a lot of projects they do. And before someone brings up Sense8: If you have the man who was behind Babylon 5 on board you can expect some good character work.

I think it is less "a tough act to follow" and more a case of "they had one stick and once it got old their weaknesses became obvious". Which is not that unusual. Take The Sixth Sense. I originally thought that it was a great movie but watching it now I realized that it is an okay movie which got greatly elevated by the twist at the end. But it could have been better in more experienced hands.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#38196: Jul 19th 2015 at 2:55:27 PM

And they've also had Sense8, which is amazing

Hmm. I can't help but assume that's mainly because of JMS and not so much the Wachowskis.

Then again, I've only seen the first episode, so what would I know? (Then again, that first episode was really good.)

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#38197: Jul 19th 2015 at 2:56:11 PM

I mean, they still had to have had some influence, so it can't be all on him.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
GoukaRyuu Since: Aug, 2012
#38198: Jul 19th 2015 at 3:17:52 PM

I feel I need to explain my comments from the previous page, but it was an in-general thing and not for the movie at all.

Ben and May are usually depicted as being in their 50s or at least already having wrinkles and grey hair. I know in Peter Parker Quest Ben was a retired cop turned security guard.

As for Peter's parents, Richard is a brilliant scientist in most incarnations with Mary not being too much of a slouch either. As a scientist in the business field or working for SHIELD I am sure they made enough to have a nice home in a better area of Queens.

edited 19th Jul '15 3:18:32 PM by GoukaRyuu

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#38199: Jul 19th 2015 at 3:54:03 PM

So it just hit me.

Is the Quantum Realm basically the Microverse?

If so, how come they don't refer to it as the Microverse?

It has something to do with Fox saying they somehow have the right to the name "Microverse" because it showed up in an early issue of Fantastic Four, whose cinematic rights belong to Fox, doesn't it?

zam Since: Jun, 2009
#38200: Jul 19th 2015 at 4:03:19 PM

That or "Microverse" is too "silly"


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