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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#38151: Jul 19th 2015 at 8:23:23 AM

[up] She was a henchman...up until she switched sides. I mean, she started out working for Centipede, which was Hydra, then switched to working for the Doctor and then switched to working/using Hydra again and then switched to...well, living at the Inhumans' city. At which point, she tried manipulating them again to put herself on top.

Basically, she would work for anyone that gave her a chance to put herself first.

edited 19th Jul '15 8:23:42 AM by alliterator

GoukaRyuu Since: Aug, 2012
#38152: Jul 19th 2015 at 8:29:03 AM

My head canon has been that Peter actually lives in a pretty good area of Queens because May and Ben moved into that house instead of moving Peter to where they were to not upset him more than he already would be. As such, the place is a fair bit more expensive than two (semi?)retired people can handle on top of taking care of a teenage boy. The only thing they probably don't have to worry about his Peter's college; he's intelligent enough that he could easily get a full-ride scholarship to any place he wanted.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#38153: Jul 19th 2015 at 8:32:48 AM

Honestly, I hope that they have Peter working as intern at Stark industries without anyone knowing who he truly is. That could be so much fun. He could actually uncover something going on there, some sort of scheme. Or even get Tony's attention as Peter rather than Spider-man.

[up]Who says that Peter's parents are particularly wealthy? Or that Ben and Aunt May are retired?

edited 19th Jul '15 8:33:39 AM by Swanpride

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#38154: Jul 19th 2015 at 8:34:35 AM

Well, if Marisa Tomei is the new Aunt May, then maybe not...?

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#38155: Jul 19th 2015 at 8:35:46 AM

[up]x2 I think they're talking in general, not just about the new movie. Usually Aunt May and Uncle Ben do seem to be retired.

edited 19th Jul '15 8:36:14 AM by Mukora

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#38156: Jul 19th 2015 at 8:39:27 AM

[up]"Seem to" is the key word there. As far as I remember it is never really specified, and even if Ben is already retired when he dies, it could be a very recent development. For all we know Aunt May is not really retired but simply has been a housewife all her life. And do we ever learn anything about Peter's real parents?

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#38157: Jul 19th 2015 at 8:49:49 AM

Going back to the Winter Soldier question, I would say he's an effective villain the same way the T-1000 is an effective villain. No personal motive, little character, but carries an aura of menace and ruthlessness that makes him command every scene he's in. Compare him to, say, brainwashed Hawkeye, who fit a similar theme of "what if your best friend was suddenly evil?" but couldn't carry the menace. I would even argue that there's been no villain in the MCU as dangerous in person as the Winter Soldier; no gloating, no games, just kill right now. Sebastian Stan also did great work in giving Winter Soldier subtle character bits, such as when he quietly goes from shock at near death to RAGE when Black Widow comes that close to killing him. Or how his two arms behave differently due to Stan choosing and training with the heavier prosthetic. Or how he even foreshadowed Winter Soldier's ruthlessness already being in Bucky way back in First Avenger, when he didn't even know if he'd play WS yet.

edited 19th Jul '15 8:50:47 AM by Tuckerscreator

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#38158: Jul 19th 2015 at 8:51:41 AM

To me The Winter Soldier is more a very terrifying weapon...it will be interesting to see them extracting Bucky from said weapon.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#38159: Jul 19th 2015 at 10:00:48 AM

In Amazing Spider-Man, I'm pretty sure Uncle Ben had a job. He was an electrician or something. He wasn't retired.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#38160: Jul 19th 2015 at 10:03:10 AM

[up]I don't think that he was an electrician...he was some sort of blue collar worker who was working the shift somewhere, but they didn't specified as what.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#38161: Jul 19th 2015 at 10:16:13 AM

And Aunt May was a hospital worker of some kind.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#38162: Jul 19th 2015 at 10:26:55 AM

Yeah. I'm sure they'll keep something similar in the reboot as well since Tomei looks like she's still young enough that her May wouldn't be retired.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#38163: Jul 19th 2015 at 10:28:23 AM

They could address the financial impact uncle Ben's death had on the family.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#38164: Jul 19th 2015 at 10:43:17 AM

Anyway who do you guys think should be the villain for the Spider-Man movie? Should they reuse one already used in previous versions (like Green Goblin or Ock), or should they use one who has yet to appear?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#38165: Jul 19th 2015 at 10:48:34 AM

We've discussed this extensively already but the Word of God is that they're looking to use a villain who hasn't been done already.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#38167: Jul 19th 2015 at 10:56:25 AM

  • Shrug* I wish them good luck for that. Still, I can understand that. Anyway sorry I brought back a topic you guys already had.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#38169: Jul 19th 2015 at 11:02:16 AM

I am still partial to the Chameleon. And hopefully they will introduce some characters which will become villains in later movies.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#38170: Jul 19th 2015 at 11:03:16 AM

I'm not sure Chameleon works if there aren't already other villains he can pretend to be.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#38171: Jul 19th 2015 at 11:04:10 AM

For example they could introduce the Chameleon as an expert in industry espionage. Peter, working as an intern for Stark industry, discovers him because his spider-senses tingle. He tries to deal with him in his spider-man personality but the Chameleon reacts by turning into spider-man and destroying his reputation.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#38172: Jul 19th 2015 at 11:10:28 AM

I can see Chameleon working as a secondary antagonist. Either as The Dragon or a Disc-One Final Boss.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#38173: Jul 19th 2015 at 11:20:31 AM

What about Kraven? He could make a really effective villain if handled properly.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#38174: Jul 19th 2015 at 11:23:25 AM

Maybe Kraven could be the Big Bad, and Chameleon, being his half-brother, could be The Dragon, with the two working together. Though after just watching Kraven's first couple of appearances in Spectacular Spider Man, here's a thought: Would you want a tradtional Bad Ass Normal Kraven, or man-beast Kraven from Specatular? On the one hand, man-beast Kraven has a better chance of appearing to be a much more credible threat to Spider-man, but I think there's something about Kraven that gets lost when he becomes a man-beast, as he stops using most of this skills and tricks, and just tries to deliver a savage beat-down, and his vocabulary even becomes more limited. Though I think having him become a man-beast can work, and actually make him a more nuanced villain, in that he becomes so fixated on taking down Spider-man that he's willing to become a man-beast in the last act of the movie. However, it eventually dawns on him that he's sacrificed part of who he was just to defeat Spider-man; something that I don't think really happened in Spectacular.

edited 19th Jul '15 11:23:38 AM by kkhohoho

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#38175: Jul 19th 2015 at 11:26:09 AM

Chameleon is Kraven's half-brother?


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