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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#38076: Jul 18th 2015 at 3:10:15 PM

Likewize, Darren Cross, despite being the most boring villain on paper was brilliantly written and acted, and became a very realistic example of a sociopath who just can't see the value of other people and their interests.

  • Hope: [a lamb is brought out for testing] I thought we were using mice?
  • Cross: [genuinely confused] What's the difference?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#38077: Jul 18th 2015 at 3:13:01 PM

"Mice are cheaper and easier to get?"
"We shall spare no expense in killing animals! Besides lambs are bigger so its a better demonstration."
"With that logic, you may as well get elephants."
"-sigh- I tried..."

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#38078: Jul 18th 2015 at 3:59:14 PM

I think it's funny that they went through the trouble to steal the tech from Stark (and ending up fighting an Avenger) when considering Tony's own experience with wanting to keep his tech out of the wrong hands, he might have very well just given it to them (or in this case told the Avengers to let them take it since it was for a good cause) if they'd asked.

And considering that the fight was a big part of the reason Cross caught on to what they were doing, they nearly botched the whole plan all because Hank insisted on seeing Stark as an enemy.

Though to be fair, like damn near everyone who does that, he has a very good reason.

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#38079: Jul 18th 2015 at 4:06:53 PM

[up][up][up] I actually kinda agreed with Cross there. Why is killing mice implicitly more "moral" than killing lambs?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#38080: Jul 18th 2015 at 4:07:22 PM

I actually liked that Cross foiling the heist wasn't arbitrary, he was clued in by various mistakes the protagonists had made.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#38081: Jul 18th 2015 at 4:15:33 PM

Also also, it's really really good to finally again see a MARVEL Film about a protagonist who is not financially well off. It's been seven years since The Incredible Hulk (though an argument could be made for pre-serum Steve six years ago)

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#38083: Jul 18th 2015 at 4:22:59 PM

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Indeed.

Though I can see Scott's logic. They were kinda on the clock (remember Cross had gotten it to work, and was going to show it soon) so going through with the heist made sense. It's was just really horrible luck that someone who could actually see him was the first guy he ran into.....though he'd have been far more screwed if he'd ran into The Vision.....or hell, the Scarlet Witch.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#38084: Jul 18th 2015 at 4:29:48 PM

"Dont worry, he can't see me."

"I'm The Vision. Of course I can see you."

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#38085: Jul 18th 2015 at 4:31:39 PM

I get a laugh out of thinking the Vision might just agree to give Scott the thing.

edited 18th Jul '15 4:31:53 PM by Bocaj

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#38086: Jul 18th 2015 at 4:35:06 PM

Scarlet Witch might, too, assuming she actually bothers to mind-read him instead of just blasting him.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#38087: Jul 18th 2015 at 4:35:55 PM

" I need a thing or world will destroy!"
" Yes, that checks out."

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Mr.Didact Keep Hope Alive from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Naked on a bearskin rug, playing the saxophone
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#38088: Jul 18th 2015 at 4:53:08 PM

Well I just saw it and I thought it was pretty decent. It's a fun film but it's not really anything ground breaking or new, just a fun little film.

Is Ant-Man going to join the Avengers?

And damn Hank Pym is kind of stupid.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#38089: Jul 18th 2015 at 4:57:41 PM

That was a great film. I guess all those people that thought Wright leaving would tank the film were wrong.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#38090: Jul 18th 2015 at 4:59:53 PM

Seems like it.

Though considering the scenes with Janet were apparently added in, and Hope had a much smaller role in the early going, I can't help but think that Wright staying might have hurt the film much more.

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xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#38091: Jul 18th 2015 at 5:10:18 PM

I have to say Pym Particles are the most horrifying thing ever established in the MCU. The result from their failure is... just ew. When Daren threw the guy's remains in the toilet I wanted to scream "at least you could put them in a ash box". And when they work too good... god damn that's just even more horrifying

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#38092: Jul 18th 2015 at 5:14:17 PM

A review I watched pointed out that Cross could have marketed the failed pym particles as an assassination weapon.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#38093: Jul 18th 2015 at 5:21:23 PM

Cross probably didn't do that because he was obsessed with cracking Hank's code

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#38094: Jul 18th 2015 at 5:39:45 PM

Also, while reducing people to goo like that is powerful, perfected Pym particles were more of a threat in a subtle way, in that it offered more possibility for assassination, infiltration and things like that. There are already plenty of weapons that can kill a guy in one shot.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#38095: Jul 18th 2015 at 5:51:46 PM

Still, even just the ability to shrink and regrow inanimate objects would be such a technological game changer, there doesn't seem to be any real need to develop military applications.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#38096: Jul 18th 2015 at 5:52:52 PM

But those applications wouldn't piss off Hank.

Not that it would take much. Cranky Pym is cranky.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#38097: Jul 18th 2015 at 6:08:25 PM

Is Ant-Man going to join the Avengers?

He's going to appear in Civil War but we don't know if it's as an Avenger. I actually got the sense from the stinger that it may be a smaller role than I initially thought.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#38098: Jul 18th 2015 at 6:27:07 PM

Y'know what would be neat? If, in the next Avengers movie, there are several points where certain coincidences trip the bad guys up. One of them slips chasing after the heroes, or their weapons jam, or something like that. Then, in a post-credits sequence, we see how Ant-Man repeatedly sabotaged the villains while he was too small to be seen. None of the Avengers believe him.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#38099: Jul 18th 2015 at 6:40:47 PM

Except for Falcon and maybe Vision.

Falcon doesn't say anything as a form of lighthearted revenge (Scott did kind make him look like an idiot) and Vision didn't say anything because no one asked him.

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#38100: Jul 18th 2015 at 7:00:24 PM

[up][up]In all seriousness they could do something along those lines in Civil War. Have the Crossbones or Zemo fail to kill one of the heroes due to what seems to be a contrived coincidence before Scott Lang is formally introduced into the movie. Then a full half hour later in the movie's runtime when he actually shows up it's acknowledged he was secretly running security for Falcon around that place and time.


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