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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Oh, very. When Luis was telling his insane stories, you could say "Yeah, that's probably an Edgar Wright thing", but it didn't really take me out of it. The audience was super into the humor.
Scott shrinking into the Quantum Realm is absolutely gorgeous. It's one of the most disorienting and genuinely strange things in the MCU. And it gives Janet a lifeline if they want her back because she is in there.
And the Wasp suit looks very cool. Bright and colorful.
edited 17th Jul '15 3:21:12 AM by edvedd
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Nah, I'm fine with them. it's when the limb count gets above "5" that's the problem.
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Anyway, thanks for the info, folks. About what I expected, given the title is "Ant Man", and not "The Rat King" (which is another franchise entirely
).
edited 17th Jul '15 4:20:53 AM by Nohbody
All your safe space are belong to TrumpWell, by the end there's a giant ant walking around and hiding under dinner tables. But he cool.
Oddly enough I think that the fight Scott has with Falcon at the Avengers facility really does the best job of showing off how well he could hold his own in a super powered fight.
The whole film is in essence a primer for people on just how cool Ant Man as a hero can be.
edited 17th Jul '15 4:36:39 AM by edvedd
Visit my Tumblr! I may say things. The Bureau ProjectTwo stingers. One midway that's related to Ant Man and one at the end that's related to another movie.
Visit my Tumblr! I may say things. The Bureau ProjectIf you really want to know:
First stinger: Hank presents Hope with a new unfinished Wasp suit that he and her mother were designing for her. "It's about damn time," Hope says.
Second stinger: A scene straight out of Civil War where Cap and Falcon have found Bucky somewhere. They talk about this would have been easier a week earlier and that they can't move him due to "the accords" and they can't call Tony. The Falcon says, "I know a guy."
I think that was something of a Foregone Conclusion with Baron Zemo and Crossbones appearing in Civil War.
Just got back from seeing Ant Man. My general opinion is positive. It's more of a heist movie with superhero elements than it is a pure superhero movie like Age of Ultron, which is a major plus given that I thought Ultron was kinda boring.
However, a major point of irritation for me was how the movie handled the physics of the shrink suit, which pissed me off to no end. The film is incredibly inconsistent as to how the suit's powers are supposed to work. Pym says something along the lines of, "It uses this special particle to reduce the distance between atoms, decreasing the wearer's size but increasing their density and preserving their full-size strength." This is why Scott can do things like fall through the floor of his apartment like a bullet through drywall and punch someone with seemingly amplified force relative to his size.
At first this made me happy because it seemed to reference the scientific fact that atoms don't actually touch one-another, their physical contact is purely a result of their electron fields bumping together. However, the way it's depicted to actually function is completely wrong, and wrong in such a way that it's obvious to someone with even a high-school level knowledge of physics.
Here's the problem. Multiple times throughout the movie we see Scott do things like walk up a guard's shoulder and punch him in the face, which sends the guard flying back as if a normal-sized man had punched him in the face. Given what we know about how the suit's powers work, this is impossible. Why this is is that the suit is supposed to change the wearer's density while leaving their mass what it is.
In other words, the guard should have tipped and fallen over under the weight of a fully-grown adult man suddenly appearing on his shoulder. The only way for what we see in the movie to actually make sense is if the suit made Scott weigh as much as an ant, which means instead that any punch he throws- even allowing for the retention of his full-sized strength- should send him flying off the guard's shoulder instead of the other way around. Per Newton's laws, in any contest of force between massive objects- regardless where the force comes from or in what direction it applies- the less massive object is the one that moves.
We also see Scott ride on Antony's back a great many times, which should also be impossible because Scott would still weight as much as a full-sized adult human. Nowhere in the movie is it mentioned that the suit fucks with mass. As far as we know, mass is conserved, but the movie wants to have it both ways. It wants the ant suit to conserve mass when it's convenient but not when it's inconvenient. In contrast, Cross' Yellowjacket suit makes much more sense. It's an infiltration suit that kills it's targets with massless lasers, dodging the problem of whether mass is conserved or not altogether.
Another major physics fuckup is how everything behaves when Scott makes it bigger than it's normal size. That giant Thomas the Tank Engine toy couldn't have crashed through the wall of cop-boyfriend's house because it would have weighed exactly as much as it had before he made it bigger with Pym's shuriken-like device. Same thing goes for that giant ant that Cassie was feeding scraps to under the table. That thing should still weigh as much as a normal ant, which at that point I think would make it lighter than air. In fact, all throughout the final fight with Cross, there are numerous visual puns that hinge on the fact that physics still works like it should, one of which even involved said Thomas the Tank Engine toy mentioned above!
This movie was fun, but it was also really, really dumb. Nothing about the powers of the shrink suit is consistent or makes the slightest bit of sense, and it swaps between following conservation of mass and violating it at the writers' whim. Lazy, lazy writing.
Also, hate to burst some folks' bubbles about Janet surviving in the Quantum realm, but how would she have stayed alive for that many years? The Quantum realm is a featureless space-like void. There's nothing to eat there.
edited 17th Jul '15 8:27:43 AM by Gault
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So tl;dr the science in a superhero movie was wrong?
...I think I'm okay with that.
As for Janet in the Quantum Realm, Hank did say that all concepts of time and space are different, so Janet may not have survived for years, but if she ever returns, it may have been only days for her. Also, whose to say you can't find food and water eventually in the Quantum Realm? In Marvel's Microverse, there are entire planets.
edited 17th Jul '15 8:28:07 AM by alliterator
Yeah, it is inconsistent in that it works according to the writer's whim.
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The problem isn't that the suit's powers aren't realistic. I'm perfectly capable of accepting that it's a fantasy movie. The problem I have is that it contradicts itself. And on something so basic, too! I mean, it's conservation of mass for Christ's sake! It doesn't get more simple than that. If the writers weren't smart enough to actually understand what concepts like density mean, and the relation they have to mass, that's on them for making the mistake, not on me for pointing it out.
Janet would be far smaller than the atoms that make up the food she would need to eat. And what are the chances that she would find anything even remotely suitable for Human consumption in a realm so utterly alien that it literally defies Human comprehension? Remember that Scott couldn't remember what the Quantum realm was like at all.
Thank you. It's important in writing that things be consistent. You can make a world that works according to whatever rules you want. After all, it's fiction. But once established, they have to work by those rules and only those rules, and you'd best have a better reason than "the writers say so" or "it would make a cool scene" for breaking them.
edited 17th Jul '15 8:37:52 AM by Gault
yeyI don't think Marvel owns the movie rights to the actual Microverse. That was one of the reasons why Bug
◊(pretty much the happiest person on the team) was cut from Gotg IIRC(along with Gunn finding him stupid).
edited 17th Jul '15 8:47:47 AM by LordofLore
I didn't really care, mind you. But I feel that they chose not to be consistent.
Visit my Tumblr! I may say things. The Bureau ProjectIt's basically the intangible problem - a character who can become intangible should, by all means, fall through the floor the moment they try to use their powers and sink into the Earth for all eternity, especially if they have Power Incontinence at the beginning (which recently powered intangible characters and newly "born" ghosts near always have, because it's funny).
But they don't, because then there wouldn't be a plot (unless the plot is about falling through the floor and sinking into the Earth for all eternity). So the powers are inconsistent for entertainment's sake.
It's the same with any of the Flash's inconsistent powers. Speed force.
edited 17th Jul '15 9:00:30 AM by KnownUnknown
Something someone just told me: Apparently all ants in the movie are male. There's only 1 problem with that. In the real world almost all ants are female because the males are busy taking care of the queen.
How can you tell the difference between male and female ants? Because no one points out in the film that they are all male, so they could all be female.
But they don't, because then there wouldn't be a plot (unless the plot is about falling through the floor and sinking into the Earth for all eternity).
I'd watch it.
Pym Particles: I Ain't Gotta Explain Shit.
edited 17th Jul '15 9:04:16 AM by alliterator
They never really gave the ants genders. They were just ants.
Aside from Ant-thony. God rest his tiny ant soul.
edited 17th Jul '15 9:05:44 AM by edvedd
Visit my Tumblr! I may say things. The Bureau ProjectThey didn't give them genders and yet every single one of the ants have the males smaller head and coloring. I'm guessing they just asked for 1 ant to be rendered and then inserted multiple times and they happened to pick a male one because it looked better.
It's like in the old movies where male lions were always shown because they looked cooler than the females who do most of the hunting and actually important stuff.
edited 17th Jul '15 9:14:03 AM by LordofLore

Something I'm really happy about is that this movie confirms that HYDRA as an organization survived the events of Avengers 2 in some way, since the general state we saw them in last was the organization effectively dead with everyone important gone, and Grant Ward leading a ragtag group of former members.
Also, Cassie is awesome. I suppose even the MCU with all its timeskips would have to be going for a pretty long time to last far enough for her to become Stature or Stinger when she grew up.
edited 17th Jul '15 1:43:56 AM by KnownUnknown