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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37901: Jul 16th 2015 at 11:12:19 AM

Read Thor: The Mighty Avenger. It's a great comic and it has black Heimdall (and non-medical doctor Jane Foster, although she works at a museum instead of being a physicist).

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#37902: Jul 16th 2015 at 11:14:22 AM

Gonna see Ant-Man this weekend. I'll admit, I kinda feel spoiled because there's something about Falcon in this movie which most of you guys know about via TV ads, but since my cable's kinda crap, I wasn't aware of it. Despite this, I shall try to not indulge myself any more than I already have.

EDIT: [down] Yeah, that did look silly in hindsight. Fixed it now.

edited 16th Jul '15 11:44:43 AM by TargetmasterJoe

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37903: Jul 16th 2015 at 11:20:03 AM

Fa***n

...what's the point in spelling it this way? Just spoiler out the entire word if you want.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#37904: Jul 16th 2015 at 11:34:20 AM

Cumberbatch compared autistic kids to the Frankenstein monster.

So that's one thing that's wrong with him.

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#37905: Jul 16th 2015 at 11:37:29 AM

[up]What!? When?

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#37906: Jul 16th 2015 at 11:42:59 AM

It was on the Graham Norton Show in 2011.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#37907: Jul 16th 2015 at 11:43:22 AM

[up][up]I think it was from some article where he was talking about how sad he felt for autistic children since they couldn't function like "normal human beings."

Edit: Never mind. I did read an article that said that, though.

edited 16th Jul '15 11:43:54 AM by DeathsApprentice

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#37908: Jul 16th 2015 at 11:43:42 AM

[up]x6: The spoiler mark up is [[spoiler/: text]] without the /.

edited 16th Jul '15 11:44:03 AM by stingerbrg

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#37909: Jul 16th 2015 at 11:46:43 AM

Well, Frankenstein's monster WAS portrayed sympathetically in the original book, so maybe he meant it in a less mean-spirited way...?

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#37910: Jul 16th 2015 at 11:54:50 AM

I imagine part of the Cumberbacklash is also because his strange appearance turns off a lot of people, and Hype Backlash because of his vocal Fan Dumb and recent overexposure. Some of the hate is also because he acted as the whitewashed Khan, but that's the usual Tumblr being dumb misaimed Hatedom.

He also called black people "colored" once although in context he was supporting them and supposedly it's less of a slur in the UK.

edited 16th Jul '15 11:57:22 AM by AlleyOop

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#37911: Jul 16th 2015 at 11:59:49 AM

The complaining about Elba as Heimdall should be tossed to the lowest levels of the "whining about casting" discard pile. Because, far as I can tell, it was "he's not like that in the Norse myths!" Well, no shit, this isn't based off the ancient myths it's based off the superhero comics. The film is an loose adaptation of a looser adaptation.

my only question was why exactly would a norse god be black especially considering everyone else was white? even if it's a loose adaptation it doesn't make that much sense to me that a god from a culture of primarily white people would be black. i mean it's not something that really bothers me anymore considering the movie's been out for years but i just found it strange.

I don't know, I think everyone loved Chris Evans as Captain America.

I had mixed feelings about him. I didn't think he did a bad job in the first avenger, but I was never really able to accept him as Captain America until the Winter Soldier.

edited 16th Jul '15 12:02:26 PM by wehrmacht

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#37912: Jul 16th 2015 at 12:03:59 PM

The Norse gods are not actual gods though. They're basically super advanced aliens. The Norse probably depicted them as white because they're white.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#37913: Jul 16th 2015 at 12:08:23 PM

I think it is hard to judge remarks like this out of context. Cumberbatch played in Frankenstein for a while, and while I don't know how faithful the play was to the book, at least for the monster in the source text it is an apt description. Mind you, the "monster" in the book is descripted as looking very beautiful, except for the eyes, which somehow look "off".

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#37914: Jul 16th 2015 at 12:10:22 PM

[up] I mean, here's the context if anybody is actually interested in reading it.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#37915: Jul 16th 2015 at 12:24:40 PM

Sounds like the usual tonedeafness that comes with discussions of autism from outsiders. It sucks when autism and Aspergers are already so misrepresented, especially by Autism Speaks and its vile spew, but I don't see anything particularly egregious other than the fact that he's a public figure and should be more careful with his words. I guess also the fact that he should've done his research better and talked to actual autistic people about his approach.

edited 16th Jul '15 12:31:37 PM by AlleyOop

vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#37916: Jul 16th 2015 at 12:42:37 PM

That's interesting, but I can't find it in me to dislike him for it. People are not perfect. Move on.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#37917: Jul 16th 2015 at 12:50:05 PM

That's the kind of thing that won't make you dislike Cumberbatch if you don't already but can be used as fuel for the fire if you do.

Here's the thing about anger: it feels good and is highly addictive, but it also burns out and eventually it becomes hard to stay angry about the same thing. But you WANT to stay angry because the anger feels so good, so you start searching for other things around the same topic that you can be angry about. Some people even start inventing things to be angry about, taking lines of dialogue out of context or creating hypothetical scenarios and then passing them off as "what REALLY happened" or etc.

Anything to keep the fire burning, to keep that feeling of righteous fervor.

tl;dr: I don't hate you for you. I hate you for me.

edited 16th Jul '15 12:50:57 PM by TobiasDrake

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#37918: Jul 16th 2015 at 12:53:26 PM

[up]That's a perfect description of Joss Whedon's Hate Dom post-AOU.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37919: Jul 16th 2015 at 1:39:45 PM

my only question was why exactly would a norse god be black especially considering everyone else was white?

Not everyone who worshipped the Norse Gods were white. There were, in fact, Black Vikings.

Also, I didn't realize that the gods had to be the same race as their worshippers. Why would that even matter?

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#37920: Jul 16th 2015 at 1:53:35 PM

Also, I didn't realize that the gods had to be the same race as their worshippers. Why would that even matter?

gods in whatever stories don't necessarily have to, but as far as real world gods go, they're a product of singular cultures and so they're usually portrayed as being of the same ethnicity as the culture they originated from. i.e if you had a story about japanese mythology and amaterasu was portrayed by a white woman it would feel a bit weird.

and yeah i know i'm applying real world logic to a story where these gods WEREN'T created by their cultures, nor would i really be surprised if history had whitewashed black worshippers of the norse gods. that's part of why it doesn't bother me, i was just saying it was a little bit unusual because that's not usually how gods in most stories go.

edited 16th Jul '15 1:55:19 PM by wehrmacht

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#37921: Jul 16th 2015 at 2:14:56 PM

In context the words are even more harmless than I thought. A typical "I try to explain something but have trouble to find the right words to offend nobody" situation. As a general rule, English actors are more prone to simply voice their thoughts instead of giving polished answers.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37922: Jul 16th 2015 at 3:36:11 PM

Ant-Man is up to 77% on Rotten Tomatoes. Apparent consensus is that this is a fun "smaller" movie than the others.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#37923: Jul 16th 2015 at 3:43:12 PM

One of the Thor pages (Might have been Fridge.Thor or YMMV.Thor) had an interesting theory that Heimdall is black because the myths claimed he was the ancestor of humanity.

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#37924: Jul 16th 2015 at 3:53:59 PM

Heh, apparently Heimdall and Sif are siblings (in the comics, at least). It'd be cool if they get a Back-to-Back Badass Family moment in Ragnarok.

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#37925: Jul 16th 2015 at 4:21:52 PM

Planning to go see Ant-Man tomorrow. Here's hoping it's a good one. [tup]


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