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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#37876: Jul 16th 2015 at 2:17:35 AM

[up]Exactly. He still has story credits, he just didn't direct it.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#37877: Jul 16th 2015 at 3:19:40 AM

Going by what I posted in the same post as the Ancient One news, not much changed after Wright left but some stuff got expanded into bigger things(like Hope who got some more stuff to do(her actress was going to leave the movie after Wright left but stayed after Marvel promised her some more scenes)) and some new stuff(that I'm guessing is the stuff tying the movie to CW and the larger MCU)got added. It doesn't seem like anything that was already there was dropped(the tone might've changed since Feige said they wanted the movie to have a Gotg type of feeling to the humor and tone which it didn't seem like the original script had).

Edit: Just rewatched Edge Of Tomorrow. Can we get Emily Blunt in the MCU as Phyla-Vell? Please?

Edit2: Apparently Avengers was toppled a while back and is now no longer in the top 3.

edited 16th Jul '15 7:09:33 AM by LordofLore

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#37878: Jul 16th 2015 at 5:52:05 AM

[up]The Word of God about Wright's draft is that it was largely the same, but the flashback stuff with the Wasp wasn't there and Hope's role was much smaller. I think Adam Mckay also confirmed the subplot with the Falcon was something he added after Wright walked as well.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#37879: Jul 16th 2015 at 6:03:11 AM

Which doesn't surprise me considering Wright's track record with female characters....

StarOutlaw Since: Nov, 2010
#37880: Jul 16th 2015 at 7:00:34 AM

Huh. With that known, I think I'm kind of glad the script was changed.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#37881: Jul 16th 2015 at 7:07:55 AM

I mean, people didn't dislike "Batfleck" for the same reasons people dislike Tilda Swinton here, or for the same reason I think Benedict Cumberbatch is bad.

What's wrong with Benedict Cumberbatch?

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#37883: Jul 16th 2015 at 7:18:51 AM

Will be seeing ant-man for Thursday night screening tonight.

edited 16th Jul '15 7:19:08 AM by Demongodofchaos2

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#37885: Jul 16th 2015 at 7:56:27 AM

Nothing is wrong with Benedict Cumberbatch. Which is, strangely, a problem for some people who didn't want the "obvious" choice for the role. Because it is somehow bad to pick an actor who is a perfect fit. (I am still hoping that they make Dr. Strange British, so that we get to hear his most arrogant, posh accent).

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#37886: Jul 16th 2015 at 7:56:35 AM

Basically the same stuff he's been saying. "Women haven't gotten to be the lead in any of our films but we still make good female characters in our White Man movies so you should stop complaining about that."

[up] If you go with the obvious choice, everyone complains about Benedict Cumberbatch being Strange. If you go with something unexpected, everyone complains about Ben Affleck being Batman.

You can't win with audiences. It's not worth the effort to try.

edited 16th Jul '15 7:58:24 AM by TobiasDrake

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37887: Jul 16th 2015 at 8:03:34 AM

I don't know, I think everyone loved Chris Evans as Captain America.

Or maybe there were whiny fanboys who yelled about how the Human Torch could never be Cap?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#37888: Jul 16th 2015 at 8:06:58 AM

[up][up] Well, he certainly does a really good job not understanding why so many females took issues with the Black Widow scene.

[up]If I remember correctly there were some people who were not sold on the casting because The Fantastic Four movies were both awful. Which wasn't Chris Evans fault, but still.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37889: Jul 16th 2015 at 8:10:07 AM

[up] Well, Chris Evans and Michael Chiklis were the best part about those movies anyway.

As for Feige: eh, what else is he going to say? I mean, I doubt completely that he would ever admit, "Yes, we have a representation problem with women in our films. Hey, did you also realize that we have no LGBT characters either?" He's never going to say that, so he tries to spin the question in a way in which it looks fine.

Which is exactly what all film executives do.

(Although I do like him saying, "Everybody's opinions are valid." Nice backpeddling!)

edited 16th Jul '15 8:11:38 AM by alliterator

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#37890: Jul 16th 2015 at 8:13:57 AM

Chris Evans pre-First Avenger was seen as baffling; even I was confused. I recall this video before its release, which has the only guy happy for Evans be a gay lobster hand.

His performance in Fantastic Four was also divisive between "annoying", "great", and "great at being annoying". Only so much you can do with a script that kept ordering its leads' clothes lost.

edited 16th Jul '15 8:14:28 AM by Tuckerscreator

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37891: Jul 16th 2015 at 8:26:52 AM

Well, perhaps Chris Hemsworth as Thor? Chris Pratt as Peter Quill? Chris Tucker as T'Chaka?

...just kidding about that last one. I hope.

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#37892: Jul 16th 2015 at 8:28:49 AM

I don't know about Hemsworth, but Chris Pratt was "the Parks and Recreations guy?" when he was first cast.

And let's not forget the controversy over Idris Elba as Heimdall.

edited 16th Jul '15 8:30:18 AM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#37893: Jul 16th 2015 at 8:29:12 AM

Honestly...was any casting ever seen positively beforehand? I guess Samuel L Jackson would have been, but him turning up as Nick Fury was a surprise, so nobody had the opportunity to comment on it. But if I remember correctly, Norton getting replaced was a sore point for some people (well, I guess other than those who weren't really into Norton in the role), Scarlet Johannson was considered too small, Chris Pratt was "this cubby guy from Parcs and Recs", David Batista was "this Wrestling guy who most likely can't act", Jeremy Renner "the guy from this Borne movie nobody liked" (not that anybody really cared about Hawkeye anyway), RDJ the guy who might not even finish the movie because of his drug problems...I think Chris H. didn't really get any crap, but that was mostly because everyone was busy complaining about "Padme as yet another love interest" and "Why is Heimdal black?" And I think Zoe Zaldana was meet with approval, and Chad Boswick seems to be a popular choice, too. But otherwise it would be impossible for Marvel to cast anything if they tried to listen to the fans.

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#37894: Jul 16th 2015 at 8:30:36 AM

Generally, the moment casting announcements are made, the complaints start up. Then they continue until the film comes out and vindicates all the casting decisions made.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#37895: Jul 16th 2015 at 8:51:42 AM

@ Swanpride: nah, I agree that there's nothing wrong with Benedict.

I was trying to ask Mukora directly.

Probably should've put in "@ Mukora" before I asked the question...

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#37896: Jul 16th 2015 at 9:03:30 AM

[up]Yeah, I know, I just wanted to answer your question. There was quite a discussion when he was cast.

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#37897: Jul 16th 2015 at 9:37:20 AM

[up]x5: The complaining about Elba as Heimdall should be tossed to the lowest levels of the "whining about casting" discard pile. Because, far as I can tell, it was "he's not like that in the Norse myths!" Well, no shit, this isn't based off the ancient myths it's based off the superhero comics. The film is an loose adaptation of a looser adaptation.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#37898: Jul 16th 2015 at 9:51:38 AM

New WHIH News...the best part is the news ticker on the bottom. So...Stark industry takes young interns? Mmm...I wonder who might be smart enough to get in....

MrTerrorist Since: Aug, 2009
#37899: Jul 16th 2015 at 9:59:28 AM

I just saw Ant-Man. It was a great Heist slash comedy movie with some action. Love the cameos as well. Plus the after credits scenes. Two of them.

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#37900: Jul 16th 2015 at 11:10:15 AM

Seeing Heimdall in Seige (Or: Osborn Loses It and the Sentry Loses More of It) threw me for a second

"Why are you white, Heimdall? What's going on with you right now?" before I remembered he's different in the comics.

edited 16th Jul '15 11:10:26 AM by Bocaj

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