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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#37851: Jul 15th 2015 at 4:47:23 PM

That's great for you. But you shouldn't begrudge people who do care.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37852: Jul 15th 2015 at 4:54:02 PM

There was subtext with Mike Peterson and how his son idolized all the white superheroes: Cap, Thor, Iron Man

I think the subtext was less about representation and more about the powerless versus the powerful:

"You said if we worked hard, if we did right, we'd have a place. You said it was enough to be a man. But there's better than man. There's gods. And the rest of us? What are we? They're giants. We're what they step on."

I know there is some screencaps on Tumblr that have his son asking where the black superheroes are, but those are faked. He never says that in the episode.

edited 15th Jul '15 4:54:32 PM by alliterator

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#37853: Jul 15th 2015 at 4:55:44 PM

I think its all part of the same thing though.

And I said it touched on it a bit.

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FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
Philosophy Enthusiast
#37854: Jul 15th 2015 at 5:01:36 PM

Edit: never mind.

edited 15th Jul '15 5:02:04 PM by FoxBoxKid

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#37855: Jul 15th 2015 at 5:02:00 PM

Someone find that one Anthony Mackie interview where he says something similar.

Here.

When I first got this role I just cried like a baby because I was like, ‘Wow, next Halloween, I’m gonna open the door and there’s gonna be a little kid dressed as the Falcon.’ That’s the thing that always gets me. I feel like everybody deserves that. I feel like there should be a Latino superhero. Scarlett does great representation for all the other girls, but there should be a Wonder Woman movie. I don’t care if they make 20 bucks, if there’s a movie you’re gonna lose money on, make it Wonder Woman. You know what I mean, ’cause little girls deserve that.
http://flavorwire.com/452040/captain-america-star-anthony-mackie-is-right-kids-deserve-more-diverse-superhero-movies

edited 15th Jul '15 5:02:48 PM by comicwriter

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#37856: Jul 15th 2015 at 5:27:03 PM

Seriously, I don't want to sound like a broken record here, but representation is important, and it's actually something that the DC Extended Universe has done a really good job on so far, such with the extremely diverse cast of Suicide Squad, a Cyborg movie announced, etc. Marvel needs to learn from them a little more.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#37858: Jul 15th 2015 at 6:00:48 PM

It should probably also be pointed out that recent years have shown that if the success of films like Furious 7 and The Maze Runner are any indication, having diverse casts or at least some prominent nonwhite characters is a good business decision as well. I believe that's why Helen Cho was cast in the first place.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#37860: Jul 15th 2015 at 6:40:20 PM

Word of God for those seeing Ant-Man soon, is to look at out for several very important Freeze Frame Bonuses that tie into future movies. [1] [2]

One of them is tied to a slight character appearance spoiler but obviously we all know about it by now thanks to the TV spots.

edited 15th Jul '15 6:40:45 PM by comicwriter

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#37861: Jul 15th 2015 at 7:10:38 PM

Thread hopping.

Catching a Friday Matinee. Glad that the Ant-Man is getting some props.

My only regret is that they used Scott instead of Hank. I think Scott is cool, but Hank needs some positive press.

Re-call how things were going for Tony Stark when his movie came out. It's the reason he managed to pull himself out of that shit actually, and lets be honest, he needed it. Ant-Man could have done the same for Hank.

I'm sure old school hipster hero Hank will be great, but this movie might have been the first step in getting him out of the wife beater reputation that refuses to release it's icy cold fingers from his neck.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#37862: Jul 15th 2015 at 7:17:04 PM

Hopefully seeing it tomorrow.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#37864: Jul 15th 2015 at 7:20:41 PM

[up][up][up]You mean the reputation that keeps slapping him around?

Yeah, he's been beaten down enough by that.

edited 15th Jul '15 7:20:53 PM by Anomalocaris20

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edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#37865: Jul 15th 2015 at 7:22:25 PM

Too soon, dude. tongue

But yeah, I've always been of the opinion that Marvel would never use Hank as the main character for precisely that reason. I mean, they could do everything they could to make sure he doesn't come across that way, but he would still be weighed down.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#37866: Jul 15th 2015 at 7:24:24 PM

I thought it boiled down to Edgar Wright's personal preference for Lang.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#37867: Jul 15th 2015 at 7:26:03 PM

Probably, but I'm sure Marvel wasn't complaining.

As to diversity: It'll take a while for the Movie Division of Marvel to fully catch up with their Comics Division (which has been exceptional in this regard), but it's getting there.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#37868: Jul 15th 2015 at 7:31:27 PM

Part of it's also that the movies usually use the more iconic characters in Marvel's history. Most of those were created back in the early days when nobody batted an eye at the lack of diversity.

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edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#37869: Jul 15th 2015 at 7:33:35 PM

I always feel that threads get stuck in certain discussion loops. In the Marvel thread it's the diversity loop. tongue

It is worth having that discussion, I'm just amused by how often we get stuck on it for a few pages.

edited 15th Jul '15 7:33:57 PM by edvedd

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LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#37870: Jul 15th 2015 at 7:45:23 PM

I seriously can't wait for Ant-Man. Heck, it may even manage to dethrone Mad Max Fury Road as my favorite film of the summer if all goes well. grin

Based on early reviews, they say that Rudd and Pena give some of the most memorable performances in the MCU, and that it is packed with lots of details and bonuses to look out for. Heck, the only people who seem to be overly negative towards it almost always bring up Wright's departure, and that it's not "groundbreaking".

If Wright had stayed on, do you think the film would've been better?

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#37871: Jul 15th 2015 at 7:50:41 PM

Considering the lack of Jan/Hope, not necessarily.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#37872: Jul 15th 2015 at 7:57:42 PM

If Wright had stayed, certain critics wouldn't have the given the movie such a hard time, but the film wouldn't necessarily be better.

DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#37873: Jul 15th 2015 at 9:45:16 PM

Fans probably will have been harder on it, though. And for good reason, since Wright is the one who killed off Janet.

As it looks right now, the movie isn't perfect as far as that goes, but by making Hope one of the main characters is a definite improvement. Here's hoping she's the Wasp by Infinity War...or even Civil War.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#37874: Jul 16th 2015 at 12:32:44 AM

I am kind of tired of hearing that Wright would have done better. We don't know that. Considering that he is the main reason the project got delayed for so long, I rather praise the director who got it done than the one who maybe had done it better if he finally got off his butt to do so. I don't even want to know how much the delays have cost the studio.

And concerning the casting of Tilda Swinton: She looks perfect for the role. So why not wait and see what Marvel has in mind? Yes, representation is important, but if you call for colorblind castings it means that sometimes a white person will be the one who gets the role.

Also, I love the TV cast. And that we finally got to see Captain America giving Peggy a proper kiss.

edited 16th Jul '15 12:38:05 AM by Swanpride

cutewithoutthe Góðberit Norðling Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Star-crossed
Góðberit Norðling
#37875: Jul 16th 2015 at 1:46:56 AM

For diversity's sake, maybe not, but in the terms of making a great movie, yes, yes definitely.

Considering there's an obvious amount of Wright still in the film is pretty telling, too.

Though the dude may have some issues with representation for women, the entire Cornetto trilogy is pretty perfect (Shaun Of The Dead, Hot Fuzz, The World'sEnd), and Scott Pilgrim is a pretty alright movie, if at the very least visually awesome.


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