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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#37776: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:23:01 PM

Moviebob? I don't really care for him, but what does he say about the movie?

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#37777: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:38:25 PM

Not a fan of him either but decided to watch it anyway. Basically he likes it a lot and considers it to be a good Breather Episode to close Phase 2 off. Interestingly he compares it to the first Iron Man in scope and style, which sounds very promising to me. He also likes Michael Pena's character a lot, which I've seen other reviewers also praising, so chances are he's going to be the film's Ensemble Dark Horse.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#37778: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:48:33 PM

Yeah even the ones who weren't as kind to the film said Michael Pena is hysterical in it.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#37779: Jul 14th 2015 at 8:26:07 PM

Oh, that's interesting. One of the stingers for Ant-Man is an actual clip from Civil War, similar to what they did with the stinger for The First Avenger being part of The Avengers proper.

edited 14th Jul '15 8:52:14 PM by AlleyOop

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37780: Jul 14th 2015 at 8:43:55 PM

Please use spoiler tags when talking about the stingers. Or any plot element not in the trailers.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#37781: Jul 14th 2015 at 9:05:15 PM

Three days... must avoid spoilers for three days...

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#37783: Jul 15th 2015 at 2:06:20 AM

And I'll have to wait a little bit longer because we don't get it before the middle of next week.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#37784: Jul 15th 2015 at 8:42:11 AM

Tilda Swinton has confirmed to Screen Crush that she is, indeed, playing the Ancient One in "Doctor Strange."

"It's done," she revealed when asked about her talks with Marvel. "We're so far in talks that we’re not talking any more. It's done. The conversation has been had."

She added that she "just really liked the premise of this and the idea of playing this character. I'm a Marvel fan and I think this particular world that Doctor Strange goes into is really, really, really exciting. The idea of playing The Ancient One is really just too tickling. I can’t say no to that!"

In an interview with CBR, director Peyton Reed spoke about making "Ant-Man" — which was originally to be directed by Edgar Wright — his own film.

"Listen, I read the existing drafts. I had my reactions to it," said Reed. "There were elements of it that I love and thought were fantastic, and elements that I thought could be deepened and strengthened. It happened to coincide at the point where Adam Mc Kay had signed on to co-write the screenplay with Paul. I'd known Paul and Adam for some time and never had a chance to work with them, so it just made sense across the board to me. Knowing Marvel, you know that they have a system in place to do this like nobody else can these days. I knew I was going to be supported by an amazing team of visual effects people, so — listen, I jumped at the chance."

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#37786: Jul 15th 2015 at 10:03:56 AM

[up][up] Dang it, I was gonna post how Tilda Swinton was definitely going to be the Ancient One in "Doctor Strange", but ya beat me to it.

Let me see what're her references...

(Googles Tilda Swinton...)

Whoa, she's the White Witch from The Chronicles Of Narnia! That's pretty freaking awesome. grin

edited 15th Jul '15 10:07:23 AM by TargetmasterJoe

xbimpyx1 Since: Jul, 2015
#37787: Jul 15th 2015 at 11:19:43 AM

I thought this was interesting. Age of Ultron was all about legacies; what the heroes leave behind, so by the time Civil War comes around they have something to really fight for

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2015/05/12/earths-mightiest-monsters-the-character-arcs-of-avengers-age-of-ultron

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2015/05/04/age-of-ultron-consequences-legacies-killer-robots

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#37788: Jul 15th 2015 at 11:50:40 AM

Regarding the discussion about Miss America from the Lego Avengers game, they'll be redoing her skin and hair to make them more accurate.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#37789: Jul 15th 2015 at 11:59:05 AM

...Why the heck did they make her white with brown hair in the first place?

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#37790: Jul 15th 2015 at 12:36:35 PM

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say Critical Research Failure is the most likely culprit. Somebody was probably in charge of character designs and only vaguely remembered Miss America Chavez. Probably skimmed some pictures of her with a bunch of other obscure characters and then her outfit stuck out in the person's mind more than her skin and hair did.

Which is funny because her heritage should be evident from the last name "Chavez" but if a person were to just look at the name "Miss America" they might automatically assume it's a white person, because "Heterosexual White Man" is regrettably still considered the default state of a person.

So I bet there were a few images with the name "MISS AMERICA" on top of them during character development and a lot of work went into getting the outfit right.

EDIT: She might also have been conflated with American Dream, the second 2099 Captain America, or any other Distaff Counterpart White Girl Cap. Miss America is not a Distaff Counterpart of Captain America but between her name, relative obscurity, and spangly outfit, that's an honest mistake to make.

edited 15th Jul '15 12:44:08 PM by TobiasDrake

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#37791: Jul 15th 2015 at 12:58:35 PM

That honestly happens a LOT to Affirmative-Action Legacy characters since the colorists seem to often mistake them for their (usually white) predecessors.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#37793: Jul 15th 2015 at 1:35:53 PM

They missed the ones in the TV shows.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#37794: Jul 15th 2015 at 1:46:46 PM

Note that it seems like the fan backlash wasn't the thing that made them decide to change it quickly but the author of Young Avengers calling them after having all his fans tell him did it. Marvel probably doesn't want the guy behind one of their top best selling books of the year(Darth Vader)to be angry at characters being represented wrong.

edited 15th Jul '15 1:51:05 PM by LordofLore

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#37795: Jul 15th 2015 at 1:49:56 PM

Company's golden boy > raving fans raving about whatever it is they're raving about today.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#37796: Jul 15th 2015 at 1:54:14 PM

@Lego Miss America recoloring, great news! Good to see it was just a mistake and that they are fixing now.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#37797: Jul 15th 2015 at 2:04:44 PM

[up][up][up]It reminds me of Clark Gregg and Mark Ruffalo stepping in to talk about the lack of merchandise for the female Avengers.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#37798: Jul 15th 2015 at 2:43:17 PM

...sigh. Guess I'm not seeing Dr. Strange then.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#37799: Jul 15th 2015 at 2:48:44 PM

Why not?

Do you not like the actress they picked for the Ancient One? Because from what I remember in Narnia, she was a perfectly fine actor.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#37800: Jul 15th 2015 at 2:49:26 PM

Wait, really?

Tilda Swinton almost makes me want to see the movie (I still don't, cause Benedict Cumberbatch and also she's playing an Asian character but)

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