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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#37751: Jul 14th 2015 at 10:50:49 AM

@The Ant-Man theme.

Oh yeah. This is definitely a heist movie.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#37752: Jul 14th 2015 at 11:12:36 AM

I don't know that many female Marvel heroes that aren't mutants come to think of it. Ms Marvel?

Captain Marvel is already getting a movie.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37753: Jul 14th 2015 at 11:13:05 AM

Ms. Marvel is different from Captain Marvel. Ms. Marvel is Kamala Khan and she's an Inhuman.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#37754: Jul 14th 2015 at 11:13:23 AM

They used to be the same person, which is who I think he was referring to.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#37755: Jul 14th 2015 at 11:16:25 AM

Channing Tatum was the only one to help Stan Lee off the stage while literally every Marvel superhero stood behind
I am all in favor of getting Stan Lee off stage. tongue

Bruce Banner is not Stark's bro
Wait, he's not? On what basis?

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#37756: Jul 14th 2015 at 11:21:17 AM

And honestly I don't think the Wasp needs a movie I'd just like to see her in more ensemble stuff. The comparison someone drew to Falcon's appearance in Ant-Man is a nice comparison.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#37757: Jul 14th 2015 at 11:22:43 AM

I don't think anyone in the MCU needed a movie.

But I want a Wasp movie.

So clearly and by flawless logic there should be one.

Also a Kamala Khan movie.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#37758: Jul 14th 2015 at 11:29:11 AM

Ensemble Wasp: Ultimate Marvel to the rescue (for once) Spidey gets himself shot and cant go to the hospital. SHIELD just happens to have a world class doctor science medicine lady on hand. SHIELD sends Wasp to heal him.

Then they have adventures together or something. Maybe a villain attacks.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#37759: Jul 14th 2015 at 11:37:36 AM

"Jan, we need you to shrink down inside young Peter's body and fix his bullet wound."
"Why don't we just use a non-tiny doctor?"
"We're out of gauze"

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#37760: Jul 14th 2015 at 11:45:35 AM

seems like age of ultron is kinda controversial.

i didn't like the first avengers, not really expecting to like this one either but i'll give it a shot once it's out on dvd/br.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#37761: Jul 14th 2015 at 11:54:25 AM

[up]If you didn't like the first Avengers movie, there's no way you'll like this one. It's basically just the first movie, but with worse jokes and a more rushed, confusing, chaotic plot.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#37762: Jul 14th 2015 at 11:57:05 AM

[up]I disagree...the first Avengers movie is very simple. Age of Ultron is way more ambitious concerning the themes. It just doesn't hit the mark all the time. If it had, it would have blown away The Avengers.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#37763: Jul 14th 2015 at 12:08:13 PM

to be honest part of the reason why i didn't like it didn't have to do with the film itself, but with what preceded it.

i felt that avengers was built with the idea that you were supposed to be super hype to see all these characters together in one movie kicking ass. even if it wasn't it's more or less only natural that this would be an expectation viewers would have.

thing is that every movie after iron man was ok to dull at best for me, and didn't exactly do a great job of getting me invested in the characters. because their movies just left me kinda underwhelmed the premise of all the characters being together in one movie pretty much did absolutely nothing for me. i didn't really find the small bits of character drama we got in the movie particularly compelling either, so what resulted was me being completely bored throughout the entire thing. My brother had even less tolerance for it and walked out in the middle of it.

i don't even have a problem with "fun" movies, honestly, it's just that watching avengers wasn't very fun for me personally lol

edited 14th Jul '15 12:10:26 PM by wehrmacht

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#37764: Jul 14th 2015 at 12:27:41 PM

[up][up]All the themes in Age of Ultron were still present in the first Avengers. The first movie just handled those themes about a bazillion times more gracefully.

Avengers 1 was a good movie because it was simple. Given the premise, it would've been really easy for the movie to spiral out of control like Age of Ultron did, but instead it kept itself structured and coherent.

edited 14th Jul '15 12:28:30 PM by spashthebandragon

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37765: Jul 14th 2015 at 12:33:46 PM

All the themes in Age of Ultron were still present in the first Avengers.

I...don't think so. I mean, there are a bunch of themes (relating to Ultron and the twins and war especially) that aren't present in the first Avengers.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#37766: Jul 14th 2015 at 12:35:45 PM

[up]Nope. The theme of "protecting the world by doing stuff that risks destroying it" was touched on in the first movie with SHIELD trying to use the Tesseract to make weapons to protect the world.

Heck, Tony gave them a hard time for using a mystical space artifact to make weapons to protect the world, then turned around and did that exact same thing in the second movie.

edited 14th Jul '15 12:36:22 PM by spashthebandragon

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37767: Jul 14th 2015 at 12:38:43 PM

[up] That wasn't the theme I was talking about - I was referring to more of the twins and their relationship with the Avengers and war itself.

Maria: They were apparently volunteers. It's nuts.

Steve: Right, because what monster would let a German scientist experiment on them to protect their country?

Maria: But we're not at war, captain.

Steve: They are.

But the theme you mentioned was also kind of glossed over in the first Avengers. In Age of Ultron, it was given more depth.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#37768: Jul 14th 2015 at 1:00:35 PM

[up]Nothing in Age of Ultron had depth. It had so many unrelated concepts and idea fighting for equal screen time that the whole movie spread itself too thin.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#37769: Jul 14th 2015 at 1:12:41 PM

https://swanpride.wordpress.com/2015/05/15/marvellous-and-dcent-black-widow/

because it would really take too long to make a post about all the layers in Age of Ultron. I have to give it to the movie: Of all the MCU movies so far, it had the most to offer in this regard. The only other movies I feel the need to discuss in such details are The Winter Soldier and Iron Man 3.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37772: Jul 14th 2015 at 1:38:18 PM

Yay! I hope she's able to guest star in next season of Agents of SHIELD, too.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#37773: Jul 14th 2015 at 1:42:57 PM

Me too! I love the Sif episodes. Yes, even the first one.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#37774: Jul 14th 2015 at 4:46:49 PM

So I just finished watching Guardians of the Galaxy.

Another pleasant surprise, much like Winter Soldier.

loved the howard the duck cameo after the credits.

edited 14th Jul '15 4:46:59 PM by wehrmacht

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#37775: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:10:17 PM

Moviebob review of Ant-Man:

EDIT:Are Youtube videos not working anymore in the forum?

edited 14th Jul '15 7:11:49 PM by Heatth


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