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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#37676: Jul 13th 2015 at 1:18:42 PM

For me, J.A.R.V.I.S. going, "Hey, so, you've been online for five seconds and I'm already 100% convinced you're a bad guy because we sure as f*cking hell didn't make you," stuck in my craw and continued to do so when Tony and Bruce basically said the same thing.

Thanos's stinger was what made it click.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37677: Jul 13th 2015 at 1:19:41 PM

Yeah, it's pretty much implied that Thanos sent the Mind Stone to Earth as a type of contingency plan - like, "If Loki can't do it, I'll just give him the Mind Stone and that will eventually lead to their downfall."

And what that didn't happen, he was all pissy and "Fine! Whatever!"

[up][up][up][up] I understand wanting a full extended version. But the Director's Cut is the theatrical version — Joss said that he wanted the movie to be the same length as the first Avengers and even got it a minute under.

I mean, I understand wanting to see all the deleted scenes in context, but at the same time, Joss cut them all for a reason. If he doesn't want to put them in, than that should be fine.

And, if necessary, just fine an online version where someone puts all the deleted scenes in it and watch that.

edited 13th Jul '15 1:20:52 PM by alliterator

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#37678: Jul 13th 2015 at 1:22:36 PM

My main point is that, even if you catch quickly that Thanos is somehow involved with Ultron, that alone don't make it obvious that Ultron's personality quirks and motivations came from the conflict Drake described.

edited 13th Jul '15 1:25:38 PM by Heatth

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37680: Jul 13th 2015 at 1:35:45 PM

[up][up] I always assumed that his insanity came from his original programming ("protect the world") with the Mind Stone's program ("destroy the world"). Two opposing ideas that conflicted, so he started justifying his decision to destroy the world by saying he was saving it and then...just went off the deep end.

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#37681: Jul 13th 2015 at 1:50:38 PM

[up]And I agree. What I am saying is that this is not particularly obvious and a lot of people missed it. So I was disagreeing with Drake assertion this was "strongly implied" as, to me, it clearly wasn't implied strongly enough.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37682: Jul 13th 2015 at 1:54:44 PM

Well, the implied part is Thanos and then from there, you jump to the assumption of why he went insane. I don't know, I sort of like figuring it out on my own.

I mean, not everything has to be spelled out.

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#37683: Jul 13th 2015 at 2:33:23 PM

"I don’t think there’s interest in it, right now."

Yeah... uh... no, Whedon. There's a bunch of interest in it.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37684: Jul 13th 2015 at 2:43:20 PM

But what about the other reasons he doesn't want to do it?

1. He's super-lazy and it sounds like hard work.

2. He really doesn't want to make a Director's Cut.

I mean, those sounds like legitimate reasons not to make a Director's Cut.

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#37685: Jul 13th 2015 at 2:45:54 PM

"The director's cut had a Coulson scene. But I already killed him, so he's dead to me, so NYEEEEEH!"

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#37686: Jul 13th 2015 at 2:58:39 PM

It might also be that the deleted scenes may require so much CGI that it wouldn't be worth the cost and supervision needed to finish them.

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#37687: Jul 13th 2015 at 3:12:18 PM

That's true. Marvel's already made over $1.3 billion on the film. It doesn't need a Director's Cut, it's already made ungodly amounts of money. The kind of money that guarantees everyone's going to buy the DVD with or without a Director's Cut.

It might not be worth the investment just to make an already guaranteed huge pile of gold shine just a little bit brighter.

edited 13th Jul '15 3:12:47 PM by TobiasDrake

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#37688: Jul 13th 2015 at 4:41:37 PM

@Whedon's comments about no director's cut: well, screw you too, buddy.

Disappointed.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37689: Jul 13th 2015 at 4:47:59 PM

Do I have to dig up a recording of Neil Gaiman going, "George R. R. Martin is not your bitch" and replace that with "Joss Whedon"? Because, seriously, Joss Whedon doesn't owe anybody anything.

edited 13th Jul '15 4:48:13 PM by alliterator

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#37690: Jul 13th 2015 at 4:53:47 PM

[up] Can you stop defending Whedon at every turn? Seriously, there are so many things wrong with Age of Ultron and I really feel like a director's cut that restored the cut scenes from the final product that aired in theaters would add more context.

edited 13th Jul '15 4:55:00 PM by higherbrainpattern

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37691: Jul 13th 2015 at 4:54:58 PM

I'm not defending the movie, I'm defending the fact that if he doesn't want to make a Director's Cut, he should have to.

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#37692: Jul 13th 2015 at 5:00:10 PM

That doesn't mean people who do want a Director's Cut can't be disappointed, though.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#37693: Jul 13th 2015 at 6:38:50 PM

The director's cut had a Coulson scene. But I already killed him, so he's dead to me, so NYEEEEEH!

I feel like I'll get shot for saying this but I'd be perfectly fine with this. Of all the narrative problems I had with AOU "NEEDED MORE COULSON!" wasn't one of them.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#37694: Jul 13th 2015 at 6:44:09 PM

So other than everyone simultaneously agreeing that AOU was terrible, does anyone still have a link to some of the scenes that were cut out of AOU?

Some laundry list of scenes that were confirmed to be written out, or were filmed but not put in?

edited 13th Jul '15 6:44:37 PM by Soble

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#37695: Jul 13th 2015 at 6:50:48 PM

I don't think it's terrible just that it was very obvious that a lot of stuff got cut, and that said cut stuff hurt the narrative greatly.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#37696: Jul 13th 2015 at 6:53:28 PM

It's not that the movie was terrible, it's that one of its most noticeable problems was the pacing and how they allotted their time to the various subplots and scenes, especially when we know things were cut out.

It doesn't help that Joss seems to almost regard it as a point of pride that the movie is actually shorter than the first one, despite arguably needing more time. And when he says "there doesn't seem to be interest" in a director's cut... it seems like he's just needling people.

edited 13th Jul '15 6:53:44 PM by Khfan429

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#37697: Jul 13th 2015 at 6:54:07 PM

I was just really disappointed by Ultron.

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Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#37698: Jul 13th 2015 at 6:57:07 PM

I was only disappointed by Ultron inasmuch as they could have done a better job making him a real, physical threat to the Avengers themselves. Buuuuuuuuut I kind of shrug and accept that it's difficult to realistically make someone who can fight the entire team and still have them be able to pull out a win.

edited 13th Jul '15 6:57:20 PM by Khfan429

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#37699: Jul 13th 2015 at 7:12:03 PM

I feel like I would've loved the movie more had Whedon kept Cap's nuanced characterization from The Winter Soldier intact, but nope, it was gone, all on favor of inserting a shitty "language!!!!" gag in there.

And the Brucetasha romance, which I was looking forward to before the movie came out, left me cold.

edited 13th Jul '15 7:14:03 PM by higherbrainpattern

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#37700: Jul 13th 2015 at 7:16:20 PM

I don't think that's entirely accurate. Maybe Cap's not as deep as he was in the Winter Soldier, but... it's not his movie. The writers aren't going to be as intently focused on him, because he's not the only Avenger.

But they definitely didn't just relegate him to "language!", as painful as I think that gag was. I think Ao U brought up a really interesting notion, that he wouldn't know what to do with himself if the fighting stopped and true, genuine peace were to settle in. It's a cool, pretty tragic point that I think is very much in line with where he finds himself, and I look forward to them exploring that.

edited 13th Jul '15 7:17:00 PM by Khfan429


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