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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37601: Jul 10th 2015 at 9:31:48 PM

Yeah, that's kind of annoying. It's also what I didn't like about Tim Burton's Batman.

But, on the whole, there really isn't a reason to make his family's deaths related to Hydra or Fisk. Hydra is more of a SHIELD thing and doesn't really belong in the noir world of Daredevil, while having Fisk kill Frank's family just seems too coincidental. And if that happened, Frank would never ever stop until Fisk was dead.

So I'm thinking it was just random mobsters this time, too.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#37602: Jul 10th 2015 at 9:43:22 PM

Yeah, it's important that Punisher's vendetta be against crime as a concept, not any specific individual who slighted him.

I've never read Punisher, but I'm sure the fact that he's waging war against an unkillable concept rather than a mortal man, and the futility of it, has come up.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#37603: Jul 10th 2015 at 9:45:08 PM

I hope they don't kill Castle at the end of the season.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37604: Jul 10th 2015 at 9:50:12 PM

[up][up] You should read some, especially Punisher MAX. Garth Ennis writes really good Punisher stories, giving just the right mixture of war, noir, and pain:

They hated that old man so much they shot him through my family. The world went crazy on a summer's day in Central Park. In the time before uzis and berettas, before nine millimeter popguns ruled the streets. It was a Thompson, like the ones our fathers carried, and I recognized its rattle even as its big, man-stopping forty-fives punched blood and breath from my lungs. I hit the ground besides my daughter. She's been gutshot, badly, and when she saw the things that boiled and wriggled from her belly the expression on her face was not a little girl's. My wife bled out later on the operating table, her heart a gaping hole her life drained through. Whenever I get careless, that yearning in her eyes creeps up and brings me to my knees. Right then the old man's soldiers started started shooting back. My son dropped wordlessly, without a mark on him. I took a breath that cut like glass, spat blood, rose to my knees, picked up the boy and searched in vain for entry wounds. The bullet had entered through his open mouth. That was our picnic in the park. And now every night I go out and make the world sane.

edited 10th Jul '15 9:50:59 PM by alliterator

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#37605: Jul 11th 2015 at 1:35:15 AM

The MCU uses pre-existing music just fine most of the time. Just like Tony is linked to Heavy Metal (a pun if I have ever seen one), Steve is linked to 1940s jazz, Sam to Soul and Bruce to classic music. Got G was just the most obvious about it.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37606: Jul 11th 2015 at 1:36:38 AM

How is Sam associated with soul aside from Trouble Man? And how is Bruce associated with classical music?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#37607: Jul 11th 2015 at 1:47:59 AM

[up]You said it yourself, trouble man. And Bruce listens to opera after he hulks out....the actual Hulk movie didn't really have a memorable soundtrack aside from the reuse of the lonely man theme.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37609: Jul 11th 2015 at 9:43:02 AM

You said it yourself, trouble man. And Bruce listens to opera after he hulks out....the actual Hulk movie didn't really have a memorable soundtrack aside from the reuse of the lonely man theme.

Right, but those were both one time each. Iron Man's use of Heavy Metal has actually been used multiple times — and Star-Lord's Walkman soundtrack was used throughout the movie. So I don't really think Sam and Bruce are "associated" with those types of music, since it was only used once for them.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#37611: Jul 11th 2015 at 10:45:12 AM

luke u ok?

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#37612: Jul 11th 2015 at 10:52:32 AM

"Sorry, but I had to go in there and get my 20$ back from a dude in armor. No one steals from Luke Cage."

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#37613: Jul 11th 2015 at 11:00:26 AM

Best Luke Cage story?

Maybe, maybe.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#37614: Jul 11th 2015 at 11:29:38 AM

"I do believe I am on fire."

"I appear to have burst into flames."

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#37616: Jul 11th 2015 at 4:03:53 PM

So before the deal with Marvel, the plot for the third Spider-Man movie would have seen Peter developing a serum to resurrect his dead loved ones.

Uh...

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#37617: Jul 11th 2015 at 4:04:42 PM

Well, thank god for that deal I guess...

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#37618: Jul 11th 2015 at 4:06:26 PM

I always love reading about the ideas Sony had for the Amazing Universe. They're just so what the fuck. Is it really that hard to come up with a good Spider-Man story?

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#37619: Jul 11th 2015 at 4:07:23 PM

Apparently even the comics have trouble with it so maybe?

Who knows, maybe if Spectacular Spider Man had lasted more than a season it would have devolved into garbage too.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#37620: Jul 11th 2015 at 4:07:43 PM

I wonder if that could've been their way of doing the "Gwen as Carnage" thing without necessarily needing Venom first.

edited 11th Jul '15 4:07:52 PM by KnownUnknown

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#37621: Jul 11th 2015 at 4:08:47 PM

[up][up] I thought it lasted two seasons.

[up] Why not just do Gwen as Venom, without...whatever the hell this was?

edited 11th Jul '15 4:09:58 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#37622: Jul 11th 2015 at 4:09:49 PM

There's years and years of good stories though. I'm honestly baffled by how tough it was for Sony to come up with ideas if this kind of stuff is something they were considering. I mean Spider-Man 3 was bad but it wasn't a jump the shark moment. What the hell happened between then and now?

edited 11th Jul '15 4:10:14 PM by Kostya

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#37623: Jul 11th 2015 at 4:09:59 PM

[up][up] It did. That's how Greg Weisman shows roll.

edited 11th Jul '15 4:10:15 PM by DrDougsh

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#37624: Jul 11th 2015 at 4:14:44 PM

A lot of the sheer stupidity of the ideas tossed around seems to stem from literally everyone involved realizing it was a dumb idea to kill off Gwen.

I wonder if that could've been their way of doing the "Gwen as Carnage" thing without necessarily needing Venom first.

And according to the leaks at least one person at Sony seriously considered doing the Gwen Carnage story after Emma Stone jokingly brought it up.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#37625: Jul 11th 2015 at 4:16:22 PM

Yeah, it was two seasons. I always just seem to associate "cancelled show" with "one season" for some reason.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."

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