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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37552: Jul 10th 2015 at 4:00:48 PM

That's why they need a Captain Britain and MI-13 movie/Netflix show.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#37553: Jul 10th 2015 at 4:14:57 PM

Though it's still very America-centric (Wakanda will likely change it a little at least) I will say the movies do a much better job than the comics at not having every goddamn thing take place in NYC.

Also apparently Lash will be the villain of Season 3 of Agents of SHIELD.

edited 10th Jul '15 4:19:50 PM by comicwriter

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#37554: Jul 10th 2015 at 4:19:53 PM

The best part of World War Hulk was pretty much everyone agreeing that the Illuminati deserved to get hulk punched in the face

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37555: Jul 10th 2015 at 4:24:39 PM

Hmmm.

  1. Iron Man: mostly takes place in California/Afghanistan
  2. Incredible Hulk: mostly takes place in Brazil/Virginia/New York
  3. Iron Man 2: California and...where was the Expo being held? Probably still California, right?
  4. Thor: New Mexico/Asgard
  5. Captain America: The First Avenger: New York/Europe
  6. The Avengers: Uh, the Helicarrier, I guess/New York
  7. Iron Man 3: Lots of places, including New York?
  8. Thor: The Dark World: London/Asgard
  9. Captain America: The Winter Soldier: Washington, DC
  10. Guardians of the Galaxy: Space? And I guess Xander.
  11. Avengers: Age of Ultron: New York/Wakanda/Sokovia

So there's still a lot taking place in New York, but not as much as the comics.

Oh wait:

  1. Agents of SHIELD: eh, not really.
  2. Agent Carter: All of it is set in New York.
  3. Daredevil: All of it is set in New York.

edited 10th Jul '15 4:25:43 PM by alliterator

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#37556: Jul 10th 2015 at 4:26:59 PM

That was South Africa in AOU and the expo in IM 2 was in upstate New York but otherwise yeah.

Some talk about the Wasp. Apparently the character wasn't in Edgar Wright's drafts at all.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#37557: Jul 10th 2015 at 4:36:05 PM

Avengers also had a longish bit in Germany.

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Prowler I'm here for our date, Rose! Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#37558: Jul 10th 2015 at 4:53:40 PM

[up][up] Doesn't surprise me.

edited 10th Jul '15 4:54:05 PM by Prowler

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#37559: Jul 10th 2015 at 4:56:09 PM

The Expo was held in New York. Because New York is the centre of the MCU. But at least they branch out now....

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#37560: Jul 10th 2015 at 5:06:48 PM

Suddenly, my fondness for Edgar Wright has decreased exponentially.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#37561: Jul 10th 2015 at 5:07:51 PM

Its been pointed out that he's not shown much interest in female characters.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#37563: Jul 10th 2015 at 5:11:54 PM

Why were people so excited for Edgar Wright's version again? It doesn't sound like it was going to be that interesting.

vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#37564: Jul 10th 2015 at 5:13:41 PM

because auteur theory.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#37565: Jul 10th 2015 at 5:14:18 PM

@Actually good events with both a good main book and good tie-ins being rare to find: Should I bring up Cosmic Marvel from 2004-2011? There are multiple good reasons for why MCU Cosmic Marvel seems to draw more from that period than Bendis current time.

Edit: [up][up]I think Whedon called it "the most amazing script he had ever seen" about a year ago along with Brian Michael Bendis IIRC. I think he liked that it wasn't as much of a comedy as the current MCU movies sometimes morph into? More of a character piece/study with a more serious tone like WS turned out to have? We've heard nothing aside from reactions to it.

Also, the new Ant-Man movie doesn't have Wasp either. Feige has said that's something that will happen in future films. This movie has Janet dying/lost to the Quantic Realm and introduces Hope who will be Wasp in a decade and a half.

edited 10th Jul '15 5:43:56 PM by LordofLore

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#37566: Jul 10th 2015 at 5:16:14 PM

I honestly have no idea...because he is Edgar Wright? But he had the opportunity to make his vision and didn't because he deemed other projects as more important. I rather take a director who doesn't have his reputation but is with the project with all his heart. That's why I was actually glad when negotiations with Ava didn't work out, too. She doesn't strike me as a woman who would truly be invested in a Marvel project.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#37567: Jul 10th 2015 at 5:17:42 PM

Yeah but the guy wasn't even planning to have the Wasp at all. That's just ridiculous.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#37568: Jul 10th 2015 at 5:18:10 PM

Its been pointed out that he's not shown much interest in female characters.

I was surprised that even Simon Pegg admitted his past collaborations with Wright were really not very good with female characters.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#37569: Jul 10th 2015 at 5:20:39 PM

I think Whedon called it "the most amazing script he had ever seen" about a year ago. I think he liked that it wasn't as much of a comedy as the current MCU movies sometimes morph into?
Joss Whedon liked that something wasn't especially funny? What?

As for why folks were so excited for Edgar Wright...

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#37570: Jul 10th 2015 at 5:20:53 PM

Scott Pilgrim's female characters seemed cool, but then, it's a about a jerk learning to be less jerk to women.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#37571: Jul 10th 2015 at 5:22:29 PM

[up]It's also based on a graphic novel series Edgar Wright didn't create! The premise of which is kind of glued to female characters.

edited 10th Jul '15 5:23:07 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#37572: Jul 10th 2015 at 5:24:25 PM

Well he did turn Ramona's relationship with Roxanne into 'just a phase' when in the books they're still on good terms and apparently made out a little even though Ramona was dating Scott at the time? Geez, Ramona.

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#37573: Jul 10th 2015 at 5:26:01 PM

Yeah, Ramona's characterization was super-wonky in the film, mostly because Mary Elizabeth Winstead plays lines that were supposed to be lighthearted jabs as withering putdowns, which makes her dynamic with Scott seem...not fun.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#37574: Jul 10th 2015 at 5:34:39 PM

The Scott Pilgrim movie is just a mess.

If his Ant Man script was less of a comedy... Then really, there was no reason to be excited for it.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#37575: Jul 10th 2015 at 5:35:53 PM

A hilarious mess, I might add.


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