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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#37126: Jun 29th 2015 at 9:25:31 AM

perhaps they use the same trick to give the actors more facetime

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#37127: Jun 29th 2015 at 9:39:23 AM

Or they'll give her a big transparent helmet.

edited 29th Jun '15 9:39:41 AM by Tuckerscreator

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#37128: Jun 29th 2015 at 11:16:36 AM

During Collider's post-"Ant-Man" screening interview with Kevin Feige, the Marvel Studios President addressed the question of when a LGBT character will be included in a MCU film.

"Within the next decade?" clarified Feige before replying, "I would think so, for sure." When asked if this has been part of the discussion, Feige said that they let the source material take the lead when determining characters and storylines.

“Well in the drawing board going up to 2019 it remains to be seen. The comics always make the path that we get to have the fun of saying, ‘Yeah let’s choose this way or let’s choose this way’ and I think there are a lot of cool things happening in the comics now that — it’s usually a five to ten-year cycle between when something happens in the comics and when we can do it in the movie, sometimes a little less, but 'Civil War' is certainly about the 10-year mark. 'Winter Soldier,' I think, was around that time. So we always look at stuff that’s happening in the comics and go, ‘Where could we do that?’ Sometimes it’s sooner, but there’s no reason why that couldn’t happen in the next decade or sooner.”

So pretty much just Phyla and Moondragon are within that time before IW if we only go with the Guardians of the Galaxy book(2008) or Annihilation(2005) instead of Captain Marvel where they got together(2004).

edited 29th Jun '15 11:24:37 AM by LordofLore

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#37129: Jun 29th 2015 at 12:11:47 PM

I know he's trying to hedge his bets, but one character in the next decade is a really low bar to set. It's as simple as making a character Bi The Way, and Loki is already canon bisexual. AFAIK Falcon has no major love interests in the comics outside his little crush on Widow in the movies, so he's also a good candidate.

edited 29th Jun '15 12:19:04 PM by AlleyOop

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#37130: Jun 29th 2015 at 12:30:34 PM

Honestly it's so clear that the new character in Got G is either Phyla or Moondragon I'm surprised MARVEL Studios doesn't just commit to it and say 'LGBT major character in 2017!'

There are also already LGBT characters in the MCU, they just haven't had their sexualities explored. (Loki, Victoria Hand, other characters probably).

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#37131: Jun 29th 2015 at 12:34:15 PM

I thought MCU!Loki was straight and Hand was killed off(with them saying they didn't want to say that she was gay only to kill her off directly because that would look bad).

Edit: Full title of Gotg2 is Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2. Feel like I should post the cover to the first issue of the comic book Guardians of the Galaxy volume 2.

edited 29th Jun '15 12:39:49 PM by LordofLore

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#37132: Jun 29th 2015 at 12:39:26 PM

I would've gone with side B. 'Cause cassette.

My various fanfics.
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#37133: Jun 29th 2015 at 1:16:48 PM

Oh and Feige dropped some info on BP in CW but it was pretty much just:

  • BP is in CW because they needed a neutral third party to get a different look at the situation
  • BP is new to the mantle
  • BP's father is alive and runnning the country(so we can probably guess what will happen in the BP movie)

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#37134: Jun 29th 2015 at 1:31:53 PM

All of a sudden exploring Loki as bisexual or cis probably wouldn't work for a couple of reasons. The first and most important is that having him Suddenly Sexuality into a Depraved Bisexual will backfire. Badly. I can hear the backlash from having the character who is practically defined as being evil because of emotional confusion and obsessively delusional desire be MCU's frontline bisexual character already.

The second is that comics Loki, while definitely bisexual and of nebulous gender, isn't LGBT in a modern sense. Rather, he's in the ancient god sense of "fuck anything compatible and use shapeshifting to become compatible with everything else" sense (in the issue where he teams up with Spider-Man, he even lampshades it). Playing a character with classical sensibilities and ideals with suddenly modern sensibilities and ideals wouldn't work all that well - it'd be like portraying Zeus as being in the closet.

edited 29th Jun '15 1:36:38 PM by KnownUnknown

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#37135: Jun 29th 2015 at 1:42:02 PM

Interesting enough he can easily turn into anything as long as it's "me". Woman, man it makes no difference. He doesn't see himself as a small buzzing kind of person so he can't easily turn into a fly for instance.

Odin is pretty cool with him and when talking about his kids calls them "My son(Thor), my daughter(Aldrif/Angela) and my child who is both(Loki)".

edited 29th Jun '15 1:43:41 PM by LordofLore

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#37136: Jun 29th 2015 at 1:47:09 PM

But he can turn into a horse?

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#37137: Jun 29th 2015 at 1:49:51 PM

Balder did not warrant a mention?

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#37138: Jun 29th 2015 at 1:50:15 PM

[up][up]Yep. Hell, while Inverted he turned into a unicorn.

[up]Balder is kind of dead. He wasn't with the rest of the family.

edited 29th Jun '15 1:51:05 PM by LordofLore

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#37139: Jun 29th 2015 at 1:52:57 PM

T'Chaka's still alive after all? Well then. I hope Wakanda is as full of Scenery Porn and Technology Porn as I hope it is.

[up]5x While I doubt he'll ever go through a full Heel–Face Turn, it doesn't need to be the case if he's in a homosexual relationship that acts as one of the stabilizing forces in his life. Anyway I doubt MCU Loki will run into the issue of being trans or genderfluid, as shapeshifting proper doesn't seem to be in his repertoire.

edited 29th Jun '15 1:53:19 PM by AlleyOop

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#37140: Jun 29th 2015 at 1:55:39 PM

Balder died? When? How?

I don't think MCU Loki being bisexual and Bigender/gender fluid is problematic; his instability comes from his insecurity about his standing within his family. If anything, his sexuality can enrich that, as they're a ruling family; his commitment towards making heirs is important, as is taking the titles of maidens rather than having his titles taken by lords.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#37141: Jun 29th 2015 at 1:58:44 PM

Died to the World Eaters along with Tyr IIRC.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#37142: Jun 29th 2015 at 2:09:05 PM

So going off what was said T'Challa is Black Panther then because his father is "older" so probably not physically able to do the job anymore. It's interesting to hear them talking about how they wanted him in CW because he's neutral on both Stark and Rogers.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#37143: Jun 29th 2015 at 2:31:11 PM

This has me interested.

Today, pre-Civil War, post-Ultron I think he and his father are saying, ‘A bunch of vibranium just got out of here and wreaked a lot of havoc.' Maybe we can’t stay behind these borders anymore, maybe we have to stick our heads out and make at least an attempt to be a part of the rest of the world right now, while at the same time protecting our people.’ That’s sort of where we meet him in Civil War.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#37144: Jun 29th 2015 at 3:35:30 PM

Marvel posted a ton of new Ant-Man videos today on their youtube channel, including a new 1-minute TV spot and a bunch of 25 second character promos.

A lot more focus on Scott Lang's crew then what the trailers showed. ...I get the impression that none of them are what could be described as hardcore criminals.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#37145: Jun 29th 2015 at 3:45:17 PM

The existence of a crew is a good sign, though. It wouldn't be a proper heist movie without a crew.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37146: Jun 29th 2015 at 3:46:07 PM

Dammit, I want Grizzly and the Machinesmith to be a part of his crew.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#37148: Jun 29th 2015 at 6:20:16 PM

I would've gone with side B. 'Cause cassette.
That leaves them without a lot of options come a third movie, though.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#37149: Jun 29th 2015 at 6:24:36 PM

All right, then. Second movie is track two.

My various fanfics.
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#37150: Jun 29th 2015 at 6:31:52 PM

So I just ran into some possible spoilers for Ant-Man. Apparently, Cap and Bucky are in the two post-credit scenes in Ant-Man. Looks like some Civil War setup.


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