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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#37051: Jun 28th 2015 at 10:21:39 AM

[up]Yes, to both questions. Although I don't think it was supposed to be a "subtle" nod.

edited 28th Jun '15 10:23:50 AM by Heatth

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#37052: Jun 28th 2015 at 10:22:07 AM

Yeah, it is.

There's only a few subtle references, but it's a part.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#37053: Jun 28th 2015 at 10:22:25 AM

[up][up][up] Yes.

[up][up][up][up] I can take or leave masks depending on the rest of the costume's design although when I was helping design a superhero recently she looked weird with nothing on her head so I had a domino mask slapped on and it fixed that problem right up.

edited 28th Jun '15 10:22:40 AM by Bocaj

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#37054: Jun 28th 2015 at 10:24:55 AM

[up][up][up][up][up]Yeah. I don't think masks should be as obligatory as they sometimes feel, but sometimes they fit. At any rate, MCU characters as a rule don't wear masks, so it is a non issue here.

edited 28th Jun '15 10:28:23 AM by Heatth

washington213 Since: Jan, 2013
#37055: Jun 28th 2015 at 10:30:52 AM

That article was stupid. Masks are like capes; some characters have them and others don't. Most Marvel characters spilled their beans. Spider-Man still needs a mask. Batman needs a mask. Most Dc heroes are aliens who don't really need a mask.

Also, Iron Man 3 was shit precisely because Iron Man was hardly in it (and it got destroyed by a fucking 18 wheeler) and almost none of the fight scenes were memorable (except for the end one with a shit ton of Iron Mans).

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#37056: Jun 28th 2015 at 10:34:33 AM

I liked Iron Man 3

It was nifty keen.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#37057: Jun 28th 2015 at 10:37:59 AM

That movie made me want a child to get eaten by a dinosaurs.

And then when that same child was in Jurassic World, I liked him a whole lot more, because he was a child instead of a smug little twat.

My various fanfics.
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#37058: Jun 28th 2015 at 10:48:29 AM

Wow, I thought the child actor was FAR better in iron Man 3, I also thought the fight scenes in three were the best of the trilogy. I also thought the film benefited greatly from focusing a lot more on Tony. Guys, your complaints are listing all the things I liked most about the film.

Well, I guess the thing I liked most about the film was just HOW SHANE BLACK it was. The character introspection, the kid, the fight scenes, the conspiracy, made for a really strong buddy cop film.

I know Iron Man 3 is a marmite film, but I'm still baffled about what makes it so marmite. People seem to have just wildly contradictory opinions about it.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#37059: Jun 28th 2015 at 10:50:22 AM

It's the big brother I couldn't stand in JW. Useless asshole.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#37060: Jun 28th 2015 at 10:56:09 AM

[up][up]

I know Iron Man 3 is a marmite film, but I'm still baffled about what makes it so marmite.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. (And I think it means 'food spread', because that's the only definition I can find for it.)

But yeah, I though Iron Man 3 was alright. It could get kind of stupid, but it was alright. I don't really understand the hate it gets in any case.

edited 28th Jun '15 10:56:45 AM by kkhohoho

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#37061: Jun 28th 2015 at 11:06:09 AM

Ah, I forget the term isn't used outside of Britain much.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#37062: Jun 28th 2015 at 11:07:14 AM

It means love it or hate it, I think.

My various fanfics.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#37063: Jun 28th 2015 at 11:12:14 AM

Finally managed to find a proper definition for 'marmite' on the English Encyclopedia.

Marmite is London Cockney rhyming slang for rubbish, nonsense (shite).

So, not exactly 'love it or hate it', I guess.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#37064: Jun 28th 2015 at 11:19:41 AM

[up][up] You are correct.

[up] That is correct cockney rhyming slang I believe, but that's not the common use of the word.

Marmite is an adjective meaning strongly polarizing of critical opinion It's derived from the a bitter food spread, which, famously, you'll either love or you hate.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#37065: Jun 28th 2015 at 11:22:04 AM

I'm actually digging the Cracked masks article so far, only insofar as the fourth point has little to do with masks—kudos to the MCU for putting the emphasis back on the heroes.

Point three, about the expressive mask, could pretty easily be fixed by...y'know...CG'ing expressive masks. I disagree that it'd look especially creepy.

edited 28th Jun '15 11:23:36 AM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#37066: Jun 28th 2015 at 11:27:00 AM

Point three, about the expressive mask, could pretty easily be fixed by...y'know...CG'ing expressive masks. I disagree that it'd look especially creepy.

I believe that's actually what they are doing with Deadpool. (Not the MCU, I know, but still.)

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#37067: Jun 28th 2015 at 11:29:38 AM

Yeah, I figured that's what that meant. Marmite is, like, the poster child for Love It or Hate It.

I loved Iron Man 3, personally. Not as much as 1 overall, but it had better fight scenes especially the Iron Legion.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Victin Since: Dec, 2011
Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#37069: Jun 28th 2015 at 11:38:34 AM

IM 3 is... ehhhhhh. I mean, I love the focus on Tony, and the Iron Legion was cool, and there's actually a justification for the hero doing a bunch of stupid things this time around, but...

Killian ruins the whole thing for me. It doesn't bother me that Trevor Slattery was a fake. That was brilliant. But if you're going to tease Ben Kingsley as the Mandarin and have him be a fake, the real Mandarin has to deliver. And Killian, even if he wasn't the "real" Mandarin, failed as the main villain of the film.

He just struck me as boring, predictable once you've figured out the first part of the twist, and despite the first line of the movie being "we create our own demons", his motivation is so detached from Tony Stark that it kind of makes that whole notion fall apart. Personally, though it would have required some script-tweaking, I think we would've gotten a much better movie if Maya had been the real Fake Mandarin the whole time.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#37070: Jun 28th 2015 at 11:40:02 AM

At least he puts up a great fight.

His fiery martial arts were very entertaining.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#37071: Jun 28th 2015 at 11:42:29 AM

On rewatching I realized "we create our own demons" applies to western civilisation, and it quite aptly describes the political turmoil at the centre of the film.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#37072: Jun 28th 2015 at 12:01:28 PM

Feige on the Spider-Man reboot's tone.

“It’s the soap opera in high school, and those supporting characters, that are interesting. Just as we hadn’t seen a heist movie in a long time, or a shrinking movie in a long time, we haven’t seen a John Hughes movie in a long time. Not that we can make a John Hughes movie - only John Hughes could - but we’re inspired by him, and merging that with the superhero genre in a way we haven’t done before excites us.”

He also confirms they're looking to use Spider-Man villains who weren't in the previous movies.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#37073: Jun 28th 2015 at 12:03:34 PM

I'll be honest "Peter Parker as a John Hughes character" is the most exciting brief I've heard for the character in a long while.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#37074: Jun 28th 2015 at 12:38:05 PM

I no longer loathe this adaptation's existence.

Still I find myself baffled to who they've have be the villain then. Vulture, Scorpion, Mysterio, Kraven, Hydroman, Schocker, Kingpin, Hobgoblin; there's just so little of the Spider-man's Rouges Gallery left to explore!

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#37075: Jun 28th 2015 at 12:50:35 PM

[up]I would start with Cameleon, while building up the relationship to Norman and Harry.


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