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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#36901: Jun 24th 2015 at 2:51:19 PM

Ah, but in real life, there weren't any Nazi Nobleman, so I'm not worried about Strucker just being a maniacal HYDRA dude.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#36902: Jun 24th 2015 at 3:08:14 PM

I'm not worried about Strucker just being a maniacal HYDRA dude because HYDRA stopped being relevant long before using any other type of characterization would have meant anything.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#36903: Jun 24th 2015 at 3:09:15 PM

Well, techinically speaking...

The Nazi party and German nobility didn't get along because (among several reasons) the Nazi party was a populist movement, so the nobility didn't really hop on that train and you'd be unlikely to find a nobleman as a member of the Nazi party.

However, there were several noblemen who fought for the Nazi regime with teeth and claw while not being members of the Nazi party. The difference is that instead of the SS, they'd be found in the Wehrmacht. Nazi Germany's greatest military genius, Erich Von Manstein, was as Blue Blood Prussian nobility as a man can get, his family line stretching back to the Teutonic Knights in terms of Proud Warrior Race Guy and he was pretty chummy with Hitler (you know conceiving the Blitzkrieg thing and whatnot).

Baron Wolfgang Von Strucker's backstory, in fact, fits with that. Strucker is rarely portrayed as a member of the Nazi party or a SS Officer and his behavior and "military genius" description fit much more a Prussian Wehrmacht officer. As a matter of fact he's canonically Prussian nobility.

So in other words his character is perfectly logical as long as he's not an SS officer (which has never been a core thing of his character, unlike the Red Skull who's pretty much the physical embodiment of the SS).

In fact, I'm not the first to make this realization. Captain America: Super Soldier, the game of "The First Avenger", portrayed Strucker as a Wehrmacht officer in what may have either been an accident or a case of Shown Their Work and his character works like a charm there.

So basically, no, his character stands on his own and could have worked fine.

edited 24th Jun '15 3:10:32 PM by Gaon

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#36905: Jun 24th 2015 at 4:35:16 PM

yes.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#36906: Jun 24th 2015 at 4:46:57 PM

[up][up]...Fricking perfect.

You know, once Marvel's done with Phase 3, most of the 'Classic' Avengers will have showed up in some film or another. Let's see here...

  • Captain America
  • Iron Man
  • Thor
  • Hulk
  • Hank Pym/Ant Man
  • Wasp
  • Hawkeye
  • Black Widow
  • Scarlet Witch
  • Vision
  • Quicksilver
  • Captain Marvel (Carol)
  • Black Panther

By my count, that'll just leave Hercules and Wonder Man, and more recent 'main' Avengers like Spidey and Cage will show up somewhere or another as an added bonus. Now all they need to do is figure out some way to put everyone into the same movie...

washington213 Since: Jan, 2013
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36908: Jun 24th 2015 at 6:27:42 PM

William Hurt talks a bit about reprising the role of Ross.

"I loved playing Ross the first time because I was able to try and create an ego as big as the monster he was chasing. And one that was as warped too. [Ross in Civil War] is different because it's a different style. It's a more modernized style. And what they've done is they've taken a character who was the Ross from the older film and made a new version. This is a much newer Ross. A much different Ross. And I liked that a lot. I haven't had a lot of time to understand it, but I'm doing the best I can. And they haven't fired me yet."

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#36909: Jun 24th 2015 at 6:44:47 PM

[up][up]I know that. Hence why I said 'showed up' rather than 'still alive.'

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#36910: Jun 24th 2015 at 6:47:17 PM

New Ant-Man TV Spot, lots of new footage in this one.

I must say, this is feeling like a really fun movie.

I wonder if we'll be getting a 3rd trailer at all for the movie. Age of Ultron debuted it's 3rd trailer over a month and a half before even the earliest public screenings of the movie, while we are less then a month before Ant-Man's launch (note:HOLY CRAP WE ARE LESS THEN A MONTH AWAY FROM ANT-MAN'S LAUNCH) and no sign of a 3rd trailer.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#36911: Jun 24th 2015 at 6:50:35 PM

With all the talk Yellowjacket keeps doing about "time" and "the future" I can't help but wonder if the Time Gem is somehow connected, but it seems odd to include both shrinking and time travel at the same time, especially given the relatively non-cosmic setting.

edited 24th Jun '15 6:50:56 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#36912: Jun 24th 2015 at 6:57:05 PM

wild mass guessPym Particles work by timeshifting the wearer's molecules to a point in time where molecules are smaller or something, because unbeknownst to us the universe and everything in it is constantly shrinking. Or something.wild mass guess

What? It makes about as much sense as any other shrinking explanation.

Okay, maybe it makes less sense.

In a less out-there track, maybe The Twist turns out to be that Hank is using Scott to steal the Time Gem (which as far as he know is a human invention, like what people thought the Tesseract was when they reclaimed it from HYDRA), so that he can go back and reverse his greatest mistakes.

edited 24th Jun '15 6:58:32 PM by KnownUnknown

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#36913: Jun 24th 2015 at 6:58:22 PM

"With this Time Gem you stole, I'll bring Janet back to life!"
"No, I can't let you do that for some reason! Fabric of time, whatever!"
"Kid, if you stop me I'm pretty sure the fandom will turn against you."

edited 24th Jun '15 6:58:34 PM by Bocaj

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Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#36915: Jun 24th 2015 at 6:59:39 PM

I've just got done playing the Back To The Future Video Game. Keeping in mind the utter fiasco For Want Of A Nail created there (several times), as far as we know saving Janet could result in the entire MCU never happening. And that's if he doesn't cause a paradox.

Though in the latter case, the destruction might simply be limited to their galaxy. Which will mean the Guardians will have to find a new name.

edited 24th Jun '15 7:01:07 PM by KnownUnknown

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#36916: Jun 24th 2015 at 7:00:59 PM

He wants to go back in time and stop his Pymp hand.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#36917: Jun 24th 2015 at 7:05:22 PM

And then maybe Hank Pym could be the hero of this movie without it being uncomfortable.

I am thrilled about how scale is going to be used in this film. It looks spectacular.

edited 24th Jun '15 7:05:45 PM by edvedd

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stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#36918: Jun 24th 2015 at 7:09:51 PM

I like how the new TV spot turned the Ant-man name joke into the same type as Starlord was, instead of "this is a stupid name."

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36920: Jun 24th 2015 at 7:11:16 PM

Evangeline Lilly talks about Hope. Also they apparently gave her Irredeemable Ant-Man to read and she found it to be total crap LOL.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#36921: Jun 24th 2015 at 7:13:09 PM

In other words, she found it to be... irredeemable?

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#36922: Jun 24th 2015 at 7:14:51 PM

also its interesting that her role in Edgars script was as more of a supporting character and in the revised script..she is now part of the trifecta

If this is true, then I'm not as disappointed that Edgar Wright left the project.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#36923: Jun 24th 2015 at 7:18:06 PM

That TV spot makes me realize that there hasn't been a good shrinking movie in a while.

I'm still pegging Yellowjacket as a Decoy Villain (or maybe Disc-One Final Boss).

edited 24th Jun '15 7:18:12 PM by KnownUnknown

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#36924: Jun 24th 2015 at 7:53:37 PM

[up][up]Edgar Wright is generally not interested in women as narrative subjects. I had a whole post about it.

That said I'm getting the impression from some other press stuff that Hope's role is basically "utter badass who has to train the shlubby protagonist to be better than her." Meh.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#36925: Jun 24th 2015 at 7:59:08 PM

[up]Which makes you wonder why she isn't the protagonist in the first place. Just kick out Lang and call it 'The Wasp'; more diversity and less sexism all in one shot. The fanboards will go freaking nuts. (And in a good way. Hopefully.)


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