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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#36826: Jun 23rd 2015 at 2:51:45 PM

Rumormongers and people with selective perception who refused to listen to the concrete information revealed in the leaks that mentioned that even if he did show up in Civil War his appearance would be no more than a cameo.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#36827: Jun 23rd 2015 at 2:55:32 PM

I've talked a bit about this in other threads, but here's the thing: anger is addictive. Super addictive. Anger feels good. It feels validating. Empowering.

But it also runs dry. There comes a point when you just can't keep being angry about the same thing anymore. So when people are upset about a thing, they will rage and rage until there's nothing left to rage about, but they don't want to stop being angry. They don't want to move on. So they'll start inventing things to continue being angry. Taking quotes out of context, twisting elements into wild scenarios, etc. Anything to keep that rage high.

edited 23rd Jun '15 2:55:55 PM by TobiasDrake

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36828: Jun 23rd 2015 at 3:10:18 PM

If they had a script they were happy with before the Spider-Man deal, then re-writing it to include Spider-Man in a major role would of probably done more harm then good. A cameo to establish he's out there ahead of his solo film on the other hand is fine.

Yeah I think AOU demonstrated why trying to give everyone a slice of the pie is not always a good idea.

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#36829: Jun 23rd 2015 at 3:13:58 PM

Seriously. It could result in a film making $1.4 billion and nobody wants that.

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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#36830: Jun 23rd 2015 at 3:17:54 PM

I've talked a bit about this in other threads, but here's the thing: anger is addictive. Super addictive. Anger feels good. It feels validating. Empowering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uaPZdhxnek Indeed. [lol]

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36831: Jun 23rd 2015 at 3:20:02 PM

[up][up]Eh. It made a lot of money but still had a messy narrative that would have worked better without the story being pulled in a million different directions.

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#36832: Jun 23rd 2015 at 3:24:33 PM

Perhaps. I'm just saying that a film that hit the Top Ten charts domestically and globally is maybe not the example to go to when pointing out What Not To Do.

If anything, Civil War should hope that it's as successful and well-received as Age of Ultron.

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#36833: Jun 23rd 2015 at 3:25:40 PM

I personally hope for an increase in Vision

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36834: Jun 23rd 2015 at 3:25:56 PM

I really don't care about its box office haul. To me, it stuck out as an example of how throwing in too many plots and characters can go badly, so I'm hoping Civil War manages to do a better job.

edited 23rd Jun '15 3:26:10 PM by comicwriter

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36835: Jun 23rd 2015 at 3:37:39 PM

I personally hope for an increase in Vision

I'm not sure how it will shake out individually but I imagine the Avengers as a unit will at least have a big role.

edited 23rd Jun '15 3:37:47 PM by comicwriter

940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#36836: Jun 23rd 2015 at 3:44:42 PM

How did you guys feel about Ultron as a villain?

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#36838: Jun 23rd 2015 at 3:45:20 PM

While Age of Ultron certainly made tons of money, it did significantly worse critically and worse at the box office (especially the domestic box office) than Avengers did, when most predictions were expecting it to pass Avengers' earnings easily. It was overstuffed with characters and plotlines, sometimes that Avengers was successful in avoiding. So despite its income, it does come across as a misstep by Marvel.

The large number of characters and plotlines they're working into Civil War makes me concerned that it will have the same issues.

edited 23rd Jun '15 3:46:30 PM by Galadriel

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#36839: Jun 23rd 2015 at 3:46:32 PM

Ultron is one of the better villains, although I do wish he didn't have any Whedonisms.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#36840: Jun 23rd 2015 at 3:48:46 PM

[up][up] Just because you consider it a misstep doesn't mean the majority of fans or viewers do and especially not the Marvel executives, where AOU was a smashing success.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#36841: Jun 23rd 2015 at 3:51:10 PM

"It made a ton of money" and "it underperformed expectations" are not mutually exclusive when it comes to the MCU.

And to some extent viewers do seem to agree that it didn't match up to the first Avengers; it's had a significantly sharper drop-off in its box office since opening weekend than Avengers did. Making a large portion (e.g., >40%) of its box office in the opening weekend tends to be a good indicator that a movie didn't quite live up to audience expectations.

edited 23rd Jun '15 3:54:04 PM by Galadriel

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#36842: Jun 23rd 2015 at 3:52:21 PM

I liked Ultron

He was fun.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#36843: Jun 23rd 2015 at 3:52:27 PM

It didn't underperform expectations, though. I'm not sure where you are getting that.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#36844: Jun 23rd 2015 at 3:56:49 PM

If anything, AOU doing as well as it did despite the problems everyone(including me) have with it is very impressive.

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#36845: Jun 23rd 2015 at 4:01:46 PM

In my opinion, Ultron, as he appeared in AOU, is up there with GLaDOS as one of the best AI villains.

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Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#36846: Jun 23rd 2015 at 4:01:50 PM

I'm getting it from the predictions websites were making about this year's movie box offices, including Age of Ultron.

Cinemablend prediction: $1.7 billion global: http://www.cinemablend.com/new/CB-Predicts-10-Highest-Grossing-Movies-2015-69047-p10.html

Entertainment Weekly: $555 million domestic: http://www.ew.com/article/2015/04/15/summer-box-office-predictions-2015/3

Hitfix: $550 million domestic: http://www.hitfix.com/galleries/summer-2015-box-office-predictions/more-galleries#15

Whatculture: $1.8 billion global: http://whatculture.com/film/predicting-10-highest-grossing-films-2015.php/10

International Business Times: $1.8-$2.0 billion global: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/box-office-predictions-2015s-biggest-films-avengers-star-wars-jurassic-world-1480655

Bloomberg: $567 million domestic: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-13/this-year-s-summer-box-office-could-be-the-largest-ever

To compare, Age of Ultron's actual grosses so far are $450 million domestic and $1.368 billion global. It's still a ton of money, but virtually everyone was expecting Age of Ultron to surpass Avengers, and it didn't even come close. I can't find any prediction prior to the movie's release that suggested it would make under $500 mil domestic.

edited 23rd Jun '15 4:04:35 PM by Galadriel

Hellbore Since: Dec, 2010
#36847: Jun 23rd 2015 at 4:31:20 PM

None of those actually matter though, as long as Disney and Marvel Entertainment's target were met. Given that we don't know what those are, it seems pointless to try to make anything of the numbers other than "they big".

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36848: Jun 23rd 2015 at 4:49:26 PM

I don't see why predictions are worth anything. The movie made less money than the first but it's still the second highest grossing movie in the entire franchise and made over four times its budget. Calling it anything but a runaway success would require moving the goalposts. It's unrealistic to expect every single movie in a given series to do better than the previous one.

edited 23rd Jun '15 4:50:30 PM by Kostya

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36849: Jun 23rd 2015 at 5:24:40 PM

Grain of salt but Spoiler TV is claiming Marvel is looking to have the Magus as one of the villains of Infinity War.

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#36850: Jun 23rd 2015 at 5:41:43 PM

Wait, why would they have villains in Infinity War that aren't Thanos? Isn't that kinda like having non-Ultron villains in AOU?

...Which, I mean, I guess they did kind of do. Nevermind then.

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