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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#36801: Jun 23rd 2015 at 12:14:34 PM

Dude, really? They just announced who's gonna be Peter, for Pete's sake.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36802: Jun 23rd 2015 at 12:17:36 PM

Even if he's 19 he doesn't look 19. If you told me he was 14 I would believe you without question.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#36803: Jun 23rd 2015 at 12:18:31 PM

Nah, it's not just Hollywood. It's the fact that when I was in highschool most of my friends looked way older than they actually were.

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#36804: Jun 23rd 2015 at 12:18:48 PM

You're not an adult until you can rent a car.

This is how its been going all the way back to when our ancient ancestors lived in caves and rode dinosaurs to the car rental place.

I'm not sure why you'd even want to rent a car if dinosaurs were available to ride but they were backwards times.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36805: Jun 23rd 2015 at 12:27:47 PM

Casting a baby-faced 19 year old probably works for the best since chances are he's not gonna undergo a massive physical change like actual teens do during puberty.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36807: Jun 23rd 2015 at 12:37:55 PM

Or they could have just cast a 19 year old that looked his age. What is so wrong with Spider-Man being in his late teens to early twenties? I sometimes get the sense people prefer him as a kid while I always thought he was more interesting after he graduated high school.

edited 23rd Jun '15 12:38:20 PM by Kostya

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#36808: Jun 23rd 2015 at 12:42:42 PM

Somehow, casting a British actor as Peter Parker feels like a bigger change than casting a non-white actor would be, making all of the arguments about needing fidelity to the comics, consistency with the character, etc. seem a bit silly.

Being from New York is kind of central to his character in a way that being white isn't.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36810: Jun 23rd 2015 at 12:48:09 PM

Yeah a lot of it is a case of Running the Asylum where people who grew up reading Spider-Man in the 60's and 70's hated all the later developments and wanted him to be a hip, swingin' bachelor again.

Which is why I find it so surprising that the new Spider-Man series explicitly has an older Peter Parker mentoring Miles.

edited 23rd Jun '15 12:48:34 PM by comicwriter

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#36811: Jun 23rd 2015 at 12:54:42 PM

[up][up][up] I wouldn't go that far. As long as he can affect a proper New York accent, he's fine.

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Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#36812: Jun 23rd 2015 at 12:57:34 PM

Were either Andrew Garfield and...wow, crap, I've actually already forgotten his name again...first guy from New York?

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36813: Jun 23rd 2015 at 12:58:15 PM

Nope. Garfield is British and Maguire was from California.

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#36814: Jun 23rd 2015 at 1:05:00 PM

Garfield was British?

Concern entirely withdrawn, then.

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#36815: Jun 23rd 2015 at 1:18:05 PM

Forbes clarifies the Hulk situation and says that the problem is distribution, not joint ownership. Marvel can make the film but Universal would get the right of first refusal.

djbj Since: Oct, 2010
#36816: Jun 23rd 2015 at 1:39:53 PM

Nice to see them averting Dawson Casting for Spider Man this time around.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#36818: Jun 23rd 2015 at 1:52:12 PM

Not having followed the Spidey stuff closely, what's the character's age supposed to be within the MCU?

Not the comic book interpretations, not the Toby Maguire movies, not the Andrew Garfield movies. Spidey as he's being used in the MCU, which so far has not felt all that concerned with holding to every little detail for characters with up to decades of portrayals.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36819: Jun 23rd 2015 at 1:53:09 PM

They said he's still in high school but that's it.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36820: Jun 23rd 2015 at 2:01:04 PM

Kevin Feige said he'd be a "Young kid" but didn't specify an age. There's been nothing official said, but various rumors said they wanted the rebooted Peter to be 14 so they can finally get some mileage out of the high school setting (as opposed to the last two attempts, which blew past high school rather quickly).

edited 23rd Jun '15 2:09:14 PM by comicwriter

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#36821: Jun 23rd 2015 at 2:02:59 PM

I wonder if that means we'll finally get some play out of Peter's supporting, non-love interest cast.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36822: Jun 23rd 2015 at 2:10:16 PM

Some details from Variety. Among other things, they mention that Spider-Man's role in Civil War is essentially just a cameo, and that the reason casting took so long is because he'll only be shooting for a week anyway.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#36823: Jun 23rd 2015 at 2:38:10 PM

Yay, hopefully we can finally put all the "Black Panther will take Spidey's role" and other dumb Spidey rumors to rest now. It was established early on with the leaks that even if he did make it into the film that Spidey was never going to be a significant character. People worried he'd steal screentime can cool their jets.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#36824: Jun 23rd 2015 at 2:45:38 PM

[up][up]Which is probably a good thing to be honest. If they had a script they were happy with before the Spider-Man deal, then re-writing it to include Spider-Man in a major role would of probably done more harm then good. A cameo to establish he's out there ahead of his solo film on the other hand is fine.

I'm fine with them casting a younger Peter Parker. If they went older, then they couldn't turn back the clock, but by starting young they can still do an older Peter Parker down the road in Phase 4/5.

edited 23rd Jun '15 2:46:09 PM by Falrinn

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36825: Jun 23rd 2015 at 2:49:28 PM

I never got why some were expecting him to have a main role in the first place. The context that made him such a major part of the original comic doesn't exist in the MCU.


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