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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#36726: Jun 22nd 2015 at 12:50:44 AM

I know that's not quite what you're saying, but it's unlikely the New Warriors or something similar will ever show up in the MCU, and I honestly don't think they should. It's probably not a good idea to introduce too many active heroes into the MCU at any moment unless they're offworld or street-level Badass Normals. One of the MCU's strengths is being pragmatic and its ability to blend things with the "real" world. It's why I'm wary of Stark Industries turning into the Acme Products of the MCU. Sure one can argue that Thor's existence means all bets are off but certain things are easier to suspend disbelief on than others.

Anyway, I think Civil War will go a little towards that cleanup. I don't expect the SHRA to last too long, although it would be best if it did. The immediate conflict will probably be resolved within the movie, but the emotional rifts between the characters will probably be more permanent, and move towards easing some of them out of action permanently, similar to what AOU did at the end.

edited 22nd Jun '15 1:24:49 AM by AlleyOop

Tuomas Since: Mar, 2010
#36727: Jun 22nd 2015 at 2:24:50 AM

Well, the Agents of SHIELD has already a large number of superpowered beings, heroes and villains, and the finale of season 2 implies there'll be even more of the coming in season 3. So the cat's already out of the bag.

Personally, I'd prefer a lot more superheroes (and villains) showing up, I don't think they should be limited to the characters seen in the Avengers movies. If the MCU has the level of technology to create a Captain America and a Hulk and an Iron Man, it doesn't make sense that those three would remain anomalies. Even if the specific circumstances of their creation can't be replicated, the technology and science to create something similar should exist. That's a big part of the premise of Agents of SHIELD, and it makes perfect sense to me.

Not to mention that the existence of these heroes should also inspire people to do something similar; it's not explicitly stated in the Daredevil series, but I think the implication is that the existence of other costumed heroes is (at least partially) what makes Matt Murdock decide to become one too, since the template already exists.

If other metahumans didn't exist, that'd be a big headscratcher, because then you'd have to explain what makes the ones featured in the movies such an anomaly.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#36728: Jun 22nd 2015 at 2:33:26 AM

The fun thing about the New Warriors is that the first incarnation of the team was pretty street level(or grounded is maybe a better word for it) compared to teams like the X-Men, Avengers or FF. It was only later that they were changed into media/fame seekers(which was around the time the most popular member of the the team was off in space leading the defense of the universe along with characters like Ronan, Peter Quill, Gamora and Phyla-Vell)before most of them died when a villain took drugs and exploded a school.

edited 22nd Jun '15 1:40:53 PM by LordofLore

Tuomas Since: Mar, 2010
#36729: Jun 22nd 2015 at 3:08:58 AM

I didn't read New Warriors back in the 90s, but I never understood how they could be written as a street-level team, since their numbers included Nova (basically a Marvel copy of the Green Lantern), Namora (an Atlantean princess) plus Firestar and Justice (two fairly powerful mutants). Firestar and Justice later joined the Avengers, and Nova became a big cosmic superhero (which he already was in his first solo series that predates New Warriors), which I think makes more sense given their power levels.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#36730: Jun 22nd 2015 at 3:27:30 AM

Given the official synopsis of Civil War, it looks like the MCU equivalent to the registration act will be Avenger's specific. It might have provisions for super-powered vigilantism in general, but if they exist those will probably be apart from the main conflict. So I don't think we'll see a New Warriors or an equivalent to them in Civil War (long term anything is possible, but not now).

My guess is that the incident will involve a scheme by Crossbones and Baron Zemo. I could easily see a situation where the immediate threat from those two is over and done with by the end of the first act of the movie, and the Civil War dominates the rest.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#36731: Jun 22nd 2015 at 3:56:51 AM

I really hope they don't waste Baron Zemo. Not when he's got so much potential.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36733: Jun 22nd 2015 at 7:41:02 AM

Beyonce is an actress?

I wonder who she could be.

Tuomas Since: Mar, 2010
#36734: Jun 22nd 2015 at 7:57:37 AM

Man, I'd love it if they'd introduce the Monica Rambeau Captain Marvel in the movies, though she's probably too obscure. But she's a cool character, and her powers would provide an opportunity to do some freaky special effects.

edited 22nd Jun '15 8:01:07 AM by Tuomas

Tuomas Since: Mar, 2010
#36735: Jun 22nd 2015 at 7:59:57 AM

And obviously they'd have the call her Photon or something, since Carol Danvers currently holds the Cap Marvel title.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#36736: Jun 22nd 2015 at 8:08:55 AM

Actually I was thinking Beyonce could be Dazzler. Isn't she one of the mutants Marvel still owns the rights to?

Edit: I guess not.

edited 22nd Jun '15 9:34:27 AM by AlleyOop

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#36738: Jun 22nd 2015 at 9:51:38 AM

Okay, that roasting of Penance was pretty great.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36739: Jun 22nd 2015 at 10:38:02 AM

I still remember some site claiming there was a rumor about Speedball appearance in AOS and how that totally meant AOS would be the start of Civil War.

EDIT: Also Daily Star is a tabloid, and the "likely choices" they mention for Queen Bey are Fox characters like Boom-Boom. It's quite clear they don't know what they're talking about.

edited 22nd Jun '15 10:42:31 AM by comicwriter

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#36741: Jun 22nd 2015 at 11:36:25 AM

CAUTIOUS OPTIMISM.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#36742: Jun 22nd 2015 at 11:39:25 AM

I AM SHARING THIS CAUTIOUS OPTIMISM

It's probably gonna be a flashback.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#36743: Jun 22nd 2015 at 11:43:52 AM

FEIGE-elein! FEIGE-elein, FEIGE-elein!

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#36744: Jun 22nd 2015 at 11:45:01 AM

This is the sort of thing that would be cooler if they hadn't said anything and just let people learn about it in the film.

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#36745: Jun 22nd 2015 at 11:47:03 AM

So, do you guys think Ragnarok will be any good or just another comedy?

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36747: Jun 22nd 2015 at 12:26:54 PM

So slightly more spoilery version of the events here. [1]

They seem to confirm something happens when Janet is in her suit and it's unclear whether she died or was lost in the Microverse, and that that's the reason why Hank doesn't want his daughter to become a superhero. But apparently it's shown very early on that she's a much better candidate to become a hero than Scott, which is where part of the tension comes from.

And Feige confirms the Joblo rumor that the ending seems to set Hope up to become the new Wasp in future movies.

edited 22nd Jun '15 12:39:43 PM by comicwriter

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#36749: Jun 22nd 2015 at 1:09:42 PM

@evolution of the Iron Man suits:

I still love the Suitcase armor from Iron Man 2; it's like the coolest looking suit that Tony ever built, IMO.

[up] Holy fuck! nice!

edited 22nd Jun '15 1:09:58 PM by higherbrainpattern

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36750: Jun 22nd 2015 at 1:09:49 PM

Would this be the first MCU movie directed by a woman?


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