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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#36676: Jun 20th 2015 at 1:57:26 PM

Which is what you want to do when death isn't an option.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#36677: Jun 20th 2015 at 1:57:48 PM

[up][up] He beats the crap out of tons of people, but there are no confirmed kills on Daredevil's part in the first 3 episodes.. Lots and lots of concussions and broken bones, but no deaths. Could some of the people he beat up end up not pulling through? Sure, but that's just speculation.

edited 20th Jun '15 2:00:00 PM by Falrinn

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#36678: Jun 20th 2015 at 1:59:07 PM

What I'm saying is, I don't buy that he never unintentionally killed someone. They can say that all they want, but I don't believe it.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#36679: Jun 20th 2015 at 2:01:34 PM

[up] Ultimately though, that's speculation on your part which shouldn't be stated as plain fact if you don't want a bunch of people to immediately try to correct you.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#36680: Jun 20th 2015 at 2:06:42 PM

Him not killing is a Big Thing later in the series. He fights brutally, but that's what the series is like. He doesn't get the luxury of knocking mooks out in one punch then winking at the camera like Captain America. In several fights, he lands hits that would've been game-enders in most series or movies, but the mooks get up and need more punishment to go down, because, again, realism. Nevertheless, I don't find it a stretch to believe that he didn't kill anyone.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#36681: Jun 20th 2015 at 2:08:09 PM

Well, when I made my initial post I did believe that Daredevil had explicitly killed at least one or two people in the first few episodes.

I wouldn't call it speculation, though. More like... understanding that the human body is a very fragile thing, and the fight choreographers probably didn't bother to do research into how easy it is to kill a person doing the sorts of things Daredevil does.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36682: Jun 20th 2015 at 2:11:40 PM

Yeah, he didn't kill anyone. That's not even a discussion, it's an actual plot point in the series.

edited 20th Jun '15 2:12:39 PM by comicwriter

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#36683: Jun 20th 2015 at 2:20:33 PM

Well I'm glad I didn't watch far enough for it to be brought up, then. Cause I probably would have gotten mad.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36684: Jun 20th 2015 at 2:24:05 PM

Right, anyway...

Of course, four sixths of the people who've been trained to kill whereas Spider-Man is a teenager who has no such training.

Well he's still incredibly strong and could conceivably kill someone. You don't need training to end someone's life when you could snap their back like a toothpick.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#36685: Jun 20th 2015 at 2:24:37 PM

Didn't grab you?

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
zsax Since: Mar, 2015
#36686: Jun 20th 2015 at 3:06:26 PM

I don't know about Daredevil, but I'm pretty sure Steve at least crippled several thugs during the course of Winter Soldier.

Seriously, he and Bucky were sending people flying with their strikes.

edited 20th Jun '15 3:21:42 PM by zsax

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36687: Jun 20th 2015 at 3:19:47 PM

Steve definitely killed people in Winter Soldier. He even threw a grenade at one point. Falcon also shot at least one HYDRA agent with his machine gun, and killed at least one other with his knife.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#36688: Jun 20th 2015 at 3:24:29 PM

They did, though it's worth noting several of the guys in the elevator were pursuing Steve again later that day, including Rollins and Rumlow. But they had hefty amounts of Plot Armor.

zsax Since: Mar, 2015
#36689: Jun 20th 2015 at 3:24:52 PM

[up][up]Not to mention he almost cut Bartroc's head off with his shield when he attacked the ship.

edited 20th Jun '15 3:25:21 PM by zsax

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#36690: Jun 20th 2015 at 3:44:47 PM

He didn't kill anyone at SHIELD when he was still under the impression SHIELD was going Well-Intentioned Extremist on him. Afterwards - well, he's directly responsible for three airships full of bad guys being blown up, though he didn't do that personally. However, he definitely killed at least one pirate on Batroc's ship, possibly two.

[up] IIRC he actually did hit the guy behind him.

edited 20th Jun '15 3:45:57 PM by KnownUnknown

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#36691: Jun 20th 2015 at 3:57:15 PM

Weird thing is that when Steve's shield hits an Ultron bot, it slices it in half, but when it hits a human it thankfully just bounces off...

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#36692: Jun 20th 2015 at 3:59:08 PM

edited 20th Jun '15 3:59:33 PM by VeryMelon

zsax Since: Mar, 2015
#36693: Jun 20th 2015 at 4:06:46 PM

[up]x3 Hey, now that you mention that bit, I think it did! And with so much force the shield got stuck in... a metal locker or door, I don't remember very well. So yeah... make your own conclusions.

edited 20th Jun '15 4:07:38 PM by zsax

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#36694: Jun 20th 2015 at 4:14:52 PM

In the comics its said that he can control the spin and force of the throw so he can either embed it in things, have it bounce off things, or bonk someone without shattering their brains.

Its not like its sharp tipped. He just inexplicably throws it that hard.

edited 20th Jun '15 4:14:58 PM by Bocaj

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#36696: Jun 20th 2015 at 4:24:34 PM

I don't recognize, like... 80% of those. Is that the Iron Legion?

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#36697: Jun 20th 2015 at 4:27:38 PM

Lots of those were the disposable unusued suits in Iron Man 3, that had no real play except to be thrown at the Extremis soldiers in the Conservation of Ninjutsu climax.

edited 20th Jun '15 4:28:06 PM by KnownUnknown

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#36698: Jun 20th 2015 at 6:46:00 PM

I still like his Battle of New York armour from avengers. I just really think that one is the most Aesthetically pleasing armour (in addition to being quite effective). I wish he'd just kept that look while improving the abilities.

On a completely different note, (and stop me if I mentioned this before) but I just realized something else about Coulson as well as Shield as a whole.

Remember how....calm Phil was after seeing Thor for the first time. He'd just witnessed something pretty incredible, but he took it pretty well, in contrast to Jane, Darcy, and Selvig who were kinda freaking out though in a good way.

Also, we have Fury calming speaking of a potential invasion with the council. Not a big deal at the time......

Then comes Season One of Agents Of Shield, which reveals the Kree corpse, and you suddenly realize the truth. Of course their calm. This isn't them realizing aliens are out there. This is them seeing the other shoe drop. That's why they were making those Destroyer and Tesseract based weapons. They knew aliens were coming (since they'd had their hands on alien tech for years in the form of the Tesseract) and this was just showing them that these dudes were now paying attention to earth.

Another way of subtle Foreshadowing in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

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spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#36700: Jun 20th 2015 at 8:12:08 PM

They might have.

I mean, I assume they have a big plan in mind for this, and there's a unified verse thing going (which is arguably much more coherent than the comics because it's actually supposed to end at some point).

You could be right about it just being unintentional Fridge Brilliance though. something that wasn't planned,but ended up working in their favour, but I think they've had an idea of where they are going for too long for it to just be a coincidence.

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