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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#36651: Jun 20th 2015 at 7:25:57 AM

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#36652: Jun 20th 2015 at 7:28:17 AM

[up][up]Male who doesn't torture, kill other than in self-defense, smoke tobacco or abuse alcohol, or has sex before the age of 16.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#36653: Jun 20th 2015 at 7:35:54 AM

Sheesh, 16 is still kinda young to be doing it. By that rule, Peter could be having sex in The Spectacular Spider-Man...

edited 20th Jun '15 7:36:11 AM by spashthebandragon

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#36654: Jun 20th 2015 at 7:37:28 AM

16 is the legal age in most european countries. America is just weird.

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spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#36656: Jun 20th 2015 at 7:56:21 AM

Well, the age of consent in new York is seventeen, so he'd only be one year off.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#36657: Jun 20th 2015 at 7:57:08 AM

The age of consent in the US is actually between 16 and 18, depending on the state. In New York, it is 17.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36658: Jun 20th 2015 at 8:01:35 AM

So this pretty much confirms we won't get a non-white Peter. Well that's somewhat disappointing.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#36659: Jun 20th 2015 at 8:04:43 AM

It's old(from 2011) and from before Marvel and Sony remade their deal. Things could've changed but I don't think Marvel is ever going to have a non-white Peter Parker on the screen. A black and/or gay Spider-Man might happen but Peter won't be behind the mask in that case.

I wonder how Marvel's rules for Spider-Girl and Spider-Woman(since I think we had it confirmed there would be troubles with having someone called that show up in the MCU before the deal) looked if they even had any. One version of Jessica is gay in the comics but the main version was together with Hawkeye last I checked(her most popular fan pairing was her x Carol last I checked).

edited 20th Jun '15 8:33:03 AM by LordofLore

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36660: Jun 20th 2015 at 8:26:38 AM

[up]Yeah I've been annoyed that so many websites like Gawker and Comic Book Movie keep saying "This means Spider-Man can't be black or gay" in the headlines when that's not what it says. It just says that if they want to make Spider-Man a minority or an LGBT person, it has to be someone other than Peter Parker under the hood, which is reasonable since Marvel already has a number of non-white Spider-Men or Spider-Characters in other continuities. I'd much rather a Miles movie than a black Peter Parker anyway.

I wonder how Marvel's rules for Spider-Girl and Spider-Woman looked. One version of Jessica is gay in the comics but the main version was together with Hawkeye last I checked(her most popular fan pairing was her x Carol last I checked).

I don't imagine they have stringent guidelines like this for other characters. As we just witnessed, they cast a black guy as Baron Mordo and a white Englishwoman as the Ancient One, and those are far from the only instances of racebending in the MCU.

But if it came to that, the contract says that Spider-Man can be gay if it's an existing character published by Marvel. Spider-Woman would be fine since Jessica Drew is canonically a lesbian in the Ultimate Universe.

edited 20th Jun '15 9:33:10 AM by comicwriter

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#36661: Jun 20th 2015 at 9:44:04 AM

Didn't the Ultimate Universe die recently? What happened to Miles Morales anyway, I remember a lot of hubbub when he was introduced.

edited 20th Jun '15 9:47:27 AM by Soble

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DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#36662: Jun 20th 2015 at 10:19:02 AM

[up] He's still around, and has been confirmed to continue being around in the new Marvel Universe.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36663: Jun 20th 2015 at 12:02:32 PM

Didn't the Ultimate Universe die recently?

I don't see what that has to do with an MCU discussion.

An editorial about Spider-Man's villains in the MCU.

edited 20th Jun '15 12:03:21 PM by comicwriter

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#36664: Jun 20th 2015 at 12:05:29 PM

Alas, the reboot means we might never find out what shocked Peter so much about 616 Miles in the original continuity.

[up] One of the things that's great about Spider-Man is that he's "in-between" in terms of power level, with enemies who could believably fight both Badass Normals and more powerful heroes. And much like Iron Man (whose larger rogues gallery hasn't really been used yet, unfortunately), he's got a lot of villains who can conceivably appear without necessarily needing to have plots made around them - career supervillains and powered mercenaries and the like.

I just want to see Doc Ock. We could use a guy who is just a quintessential, straightforward Mad Scientist (the closest we've gotten so far is Vanko and maybe Zola).

edited 20th Jun '15 12:11:08 PM by KnownUnknown

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#36665: Jun 20th 2015 at 12:18:04 PM

[up][up] Someone mentioned Miles Morales, and the plausibility of using him in a film over just making Peter Parker black cause why not. Miles is, or was, the Spider Man of the Ultimate Universe.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36666: Jun 20th 2015 at 12:47:32 PM

No, I get that. I'm saying the fact that the line was cancelled has no bearing on the MCU whatsoever.

[up][up]I'd be interested in seeing someone like Mysterio as well.

edited 20th Jun '15 12:49:04 PM by comicwriter

TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Dark Eye
#36667: Jun 20th 2015 at 12:57:03 PM

I guess the reboot, which seems to shunt Miles into the main universe, might make it a bit more likely to get a cinematic version of him.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#36668: Jun 20th 2015 at 1:15:34 PM

I'm surprised they're giving any leeway when it comes to killing given how that subject is handled in Spider-Man comics.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36669: Jun 20th 2015 at 1:22:08 PM

I think Thou Shall Not Kill has kind of been abandoned as a premise for Marvel movies. There are merits for it but of course it opens up a whole host of other problems in a shared universe...

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#36670: Jun 20th 2015 at 1:24:29 PM

It's never so much as touched upon. The closest we got was in Ultron, when Tony has non-lethal darts he uses on HYDRA soldiers when he breaks into the fortress proper. And that's not really Thou Shalt Not Kill, it's just basic good tactics to capture the enemy for information.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#36671: Jun 20th 2015 at 1:46:23 PM

The Daredevil series on Netflix gives the character a Thou Shalt Not Kill code, though that series is in general much more of a traditional superhero story than the other MCU titles.

edited 20th Jun '15 1:46:56 PM by RavenWilder

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#36672: Jun 20th 2015 at 1:47:51 PM

Of course, four sixths of the people who've been trained to kill whereas Spider-Man is a teenager who has no such training.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#36673: Jun 20th 2015 at 1:52:02 PM

[up]x2 What? I only watched 3 episodes, but Daredevil definitely killed some people in those three episodes. Also, torture, which is almost worse.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#36674: Jun 20th 2015 at 1:53:54 PM

No, he didn't kill anyone. He's put people into comas, but he's never actually killed anyone.

Unless you count his fight with Nobu ending with the latter burning to death, but that's not really his fault.

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#36675: Jun 20th 2015 at 1:56:30 PM

Look, they might say he didn't kill people, but the way he fights? A lot of those mooks at the very least have brain damage and broken spines.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."

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