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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
(last page) I must have some sort of internalized racism towards dinosaurs, because I have never liked Jurassic Park. I knew about it when I was little and never gave it a chance, and even now that I'm older and I've seen the first film, I still don't see what was so great about.
Even the dinobots from Transformers rubbed me the wrong way.
edited 16th Jun '15 12:49:44 PM by Soble
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True, but still. It is not like they could have know at the time.
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The FBI at last do some background check, right? And it is not like they give full powers to the former criminals who have just entered the organization. What made the "Avengers Quartet" notable was that 75% of its members were former criminals who had barely proved themselves by that point. And they were all full Avengers, on the same level as Captain America, to the point that the position of leadership was in debate. Sure, Captain became the leader, but the fact there was even a discussion to begin with is rather bizarre.
Of course, we all know that these three were good people and everything went swimmingly after that. But it is still a bit silly when you look back.
edited 16th Jun '15 12:44:05 PM by Heatth
It's been joked several times in-canon that "Defenders" makes much more sense as a name, but it's unfortunately already being used.
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The only one who had any real excuse was Hawkeye, because Stark vouched for him. Which was also kind of stupid because he only vouched because Clint took him aside and said he was really sorry for trying to kill him multiple times.
edited 16th Jun '15 12:52:52 PM by comicwriter
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They literally hire people from prison. That's how a lot of FBI hackers got their jobs; they were arrested for the cyber-crimes they committed, then offered deals to come work for the FBI catching other people doing what they were doing. If you make it hard enough for the FBI to catch you, there's a chance you'll get a job offer once they finally do.
The FBI takes the principle of "It takes a thief to catch a thief" very literally.
edited 16th Jun '15 12:57:28 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.In fairness, the X-Men vouched for Wanda and Pietro as I recall.
And Black Panther had Cap call in before Panther ever showed up to advise he was recommending him to take his spot in the roster.
It was better than the time when Swordsman got in based on a forged recommendation from Iron Man at least.
Or the time Pym offered Loki a position on the team after Loki had spent an extended period of time deceiving them.
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Yes Cap sent him there but radioed first. And then Panther had the good fortune to arrive right after someone had apparently murdered the team and framed him for the crime.
Thunderbolts would be cool but they need to start laying the groundwork first, I think. Hopefully they use Baron Zemo well in Civil War and start building from there.
edited 16th Jun '15 1:06:51 PM by comicwriter
That is what I am talking about. It is Tony vouching for him that I find really bizarre.
I know? But that is not what I am talking about, though. Nothing wrong with hiring former criminals per se, but the FBI is not 75% composed by them. Specially not by the ones who were out of prison for, like, an year top. And certainly none of them start by being in the running for Director of the agency. Also, I am not an specialist, but I would guess they make some background check and put them on supervision at last for a while.
Again, the problem is not that the Avengers were taking criminals in their ranks. The problem was they were taking criminals into the ranks without giving any thought,barely no supervision and with plenty powers. Hell, if the Twins were still evil, they would be 50% of the team, which is more than enough to hold the others off until the Mutant Brotherhood arrives.
True, but it is not like the Avengers even knew the X Men all that well. And eventually they kinda stopped trusting each other
I was okay with Panther. Him joining was a bit sudden, but, as you said, Cap called ahead. And Panther was never a criminal to begin with. Also, the first thing Panther did when joining was to save everyone else from death. That helps.
edited 16th Jun '15 1:10:16 PM by Heatth
That's true. They were far from a well-oiled machine.
As I recall, didn't the Kooky Quartet happen because everyone disbanded and Cap was like, "No, I WILL keep this going somehow!"
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.This was back before a lot of the face heel turns and whatnot. Back in a time when you could trust people because even Wonder Men that were supposed to kill you would sacrifice themselves to save you.
What makes it weirder is that the Avengers were all planning to go on vacation and have a team consisting of only Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. The fact that Cap showed back up was a lucky stroke because they could go 'hey take care of these newbies for us, k?'
In faiiiiiiiiiiiirness they also tried to recruit Namor (ALSO A VILLAIN at the time) and told the new team to try to re-recruit Hulk to get some muscle on the team.
uh membership drives became a bit less haphazard in the future though
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThose arguments were predicated on villainy, so they don't count.
Tony Stark was inverted in the event immediately preceeding it into an evil bastard, and he was suing Luke Cage's team for calling themselves Avengers mostly because he was an evil bastard and he could.
He went on to mass-produce Extremis and distribute it freely in order to deliberately get people addicted and then upcharge the hell out of them once hooked.
edited 16th Jun '15 1:23:01 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Inverted Tony Stark, mind you.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Alas, they're not the first team of Avengers that got Stark'd out of the name.
Poor Great Lakes Avengers
Unrelated, Quicksilver's secret dream

It's why I feel embarrassed for any writer that puts, "Avengers don't kill!" in their comic. They're peacekeepers, not bastions of morality.
edited 16th Jun '15 12:31:43 PM by TobiasDrake
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