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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
American cartoons vastly go back and forth on censorship. For instance the same decade that gave us a cartoon where Spider-Man wasn't allowed to punch anyone also had Batman: The Animated Series, one of the darkest and most adult superhero cartoons ever made.
A lot of it is whenever there's a high profile controversy, there's a huge push to try and censor whatever medium it was blamed on. A lot of the 90's censorship stemmed from stuff like angry parents complaining accusing shows like Power Rangers of causing a bunch of child injuries.
I'd also argue that Batman's TAS wasn't that dark. The films maybe, but the series not so much. Darkest episodes were My Silicone Soul, the one where Bruce was hypnotized, the episode where Joker took that one guy hostage, and the one with Lock-Up.
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It was on Fox. The later Retool The New Batman Adventures aired on WB.
edited 15th Jun '15 5:09:45 PM by comicwriter
Hm, I remember watching the original series on wb
curse you memory!
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI remember a thing about the Scarecrow fear gas/batgirl episode that censors made them change the POV for when batgirl fell off a building onto her dad's squad car and that the change made it look even more brutal.
Whoops!
Forever liveblogging the AvengersRobin's Reckoning was definitely the darkest episode of the original series. The New Batman Adventures was allowed to do a bit darker things, but typically did so without the same weight. Batman Beyond was the one that mixed "dark" and "camp" the most evenly though, imo.
edited 15th Jun '15 5:39:06 PM by KnownUnknown
What I find hilarious about the cartoon version of Carnage is that he was collecting souls for Dotmmamu which was essentially s fate worse than death. Hell, when Venom is trapped in Dormmamu's realm with Carnage his therapist actually says he will find peace!
As for Mornuis/Black Cat there's some fridge brilliance with that pairing; their animal motifs are a bat and cat respectively. That or the writers were trying to copy Angel/Buffy with none of the nuance that made it interesting.
Bullseye also leans toward sadism.
The Green Goblin is at his weakest when he tries to be the Joker.
Carnage is TOO insane. Literally, there was an intercompany crossover once where the Joker and Carnage teamed up that ended poorly because Carnage is too f*cked up for even the Joker to deal with.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Most infamously, Bendis is the guy who conveniently forgot that the Scarlet Witch had actually gotten over the loss of her kids, just so he could do another "Wanda goes crazy because of her lost children" story, even though John Byrne had already done the same thing 10 years earlier, and most Avengers fans hated that story, and only a few years before Bendis took hold of the Avengers, Kurt Busiek had done a wonderful job in repairing the damage Byrne did to Wanda and the Vision, only for Bendis to tear it all apart once more so he could make the Scarlet Witch crazy again and kill the Vision (plus Hawkeye and Ant-Man), which was only done so he could have the Avengers consist of his favourite characters (Spider-Man, Luke Cage, Sentry, etc) instead of, you know, the characters most comic readers had associated with the Avengers for the past 30+ years. So yeah, he just doesn't care.
I think pretty much the best thing to have come out of the success of Age of Ultron is that the Scarlet Witch and the Vision are probably so well-established now, that the Marvel comics editors won't let anyone ruin them again the way Bendis did.
edited 16th Jun '15 3:48:53 AM by Tuomas
And just to make it clear, I don't necessarily think New Avengers was a bad comic, or that Bendis should've kept on writing stories about the classic Avengers, even though he didn't like those characters. I just don't get why Bendis had to ruin and kill them instead of, you know, have them retire or something.
edited 16th Jun '15 3:54:33 AM by Tuomas
He tried to kill off Carnage too, but his total ignorance of symbiote mechanics outside the 90's cartoon ruined the effort. He had Sentry rip Carnage in half and leave him stranded in orbit with his symbiote intact. It's long been established that a) symbiotes can sustain their host from life-threatening injuries, and b) symbiotes are capable of entering a hibernative coma that protects them from the vacuum of space.
The funny thing is that even if he'd known this and tried to go the full mile, blasting off Kasady's symbiote, the "ripped him in half" part would still have ruined the effort. Though some writers forget this, it's also long been established that Kasady is fully bonded with his symbiote; it's mixed with his blood and lives in his veins. Any effort at destroying the external symbiote can be undone by scratching himself, drawing blood, and releasing more symbiote.
So, all in all, this was an entirely pointless gesture at killing off the character and, when the Carnage miniseries came out and had to bring Carnage back, they just went with the obvious explanation that he didn't die because of course he didn't die. The narratively hard part was getting him down from orbit without burning him up in re-entry.
edited 16th Jun '15 6:49:48 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Bendis didn't actually populate the Avengers with his favorite characters (if he did, he would have included Daredevil and he specifically made sure not to). He actually did Avengers Disassembled because they needed to revamp the Avengers (it had slowly been losing readers for a while) and decided to populate it with popular characters — basically, they said, "Wait, why haven't we been including Spider-Man and Wolverine?"

Man-Spider has appeared in the comics as well.
The Six-Arms thing first popped up in a story from the 70's, caused by basically the same thing - a formula supercharges Spider-Man's powers and causes him to mutate. He didn't turn into a Spider-mutant in that instance, but it's happened since: I don't know whether the 90's series invented it or not, though. So far the earliest I can find is a storyline from 98.
edited 15th Jun '15 4:50:50 PM by KnownUnknown