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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#36426: Jun 14th 2015 at 8:49:58 PM

Maybe it's just me but Tony is turning into the MCU's Reed Richards. I'd like it if they set up some sort of boundary on his sphere of influence so the world didn't need to revolve so much around him.

edited 14th Jun '15 8:50:35 PM by AlleyOop

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#36427: Jun 14th 2015 at 8:54:03 PM

I like the element in comics how everybody and their brother is a Gadgeteer Genius.

Like it totally works in Ms. Marvel that Kamala's friend Bruno can invent some kind of super polymer in his basement science lab.

Tony has his famous "box of scraps" quote, but he's far from the only person who can do that. I'd say what makes him stand out is that he's (one of) the best and usually has access to nearly unlimited resources.

Which is to say that with someone like Peter (as well as many of his rogues)- they can build some pretty cool stuff, but it's limited by their funds. Whenever they get access to funds or a backer, they upgrade their tech.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36428: Jun 14th 2015 at 9:07:07 PM

Yup when he got a job at a big, heavily funded lab, he started making more advanced suits and gadgets, even Powered Armor.

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#36429: Jun 15th 2015 at 1:06:35 AM

Honestly, natural web shooters make sense for Spidey. The ability to stick to walls and great strength aren't really exclusive to spiders. I know Peter's a genius who can invent these things, but spiders spin webs. That should have been the main thing.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#36430: Jun 15th 2015 at 5:02:03 AM

One of spidey's powers is 'the proportional strength of a spider' which translates to control over mathematics so that he can violate the squared cubed law. It's amazing he just doesn't change the numbers of his bank account.

Organic webshooters doesn't seem any weirder than that. The totem stuff in the comics makes it even further excusable; Peter resembles a spider as they exist in mythology more than as they exist in biology.

I do like Peter having an opportunity to science stuff. My favourite sequence of all five films was him tying to figure out how to make his webshooters resistant to electricity.

Hmmm, I should write a fan-what if story of Peter using his square-cube violations to become a physical god.

Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#36431: Jun 15th 2015 at 6:00:30 AM

It's not a big deal to me either way, but if you're going for the "organic to spiders, so organic to Spidey", wouldn't that mean he'd be shooting webs out his ass? [lol]

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#36432: Jun 15th 2015 at 7:52:23 AM

But really, that article says we could get an announcement as early as next week. And who saw the whole "Punisher coming to the MCU" thing coming? When I first heard of that on IGN, I was like "Wait, what?"

To be honest, I was expecting him, Bullseye, and Elektra last season.

Yeah as with the "What do you mean Black Panther has a plane?!" argument from a few days ago, I really don't need Tony to have involvement (no matter how indirect) in everyone else's tech.

A "Starklike" plane.

If they announced that Spidey was going to have "Starklike" webshooters, like maybe Iron Man gauntlets that shoot webbing, I'd want him to get those from Tony too.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#36433: Jun 15th 2015 at 8:11:03 AM

It's not a big deal to me either way, but if you're going for the "organic to spiders, so organic to Spidey", wouldn't that mean he'd be shooting webs out his ass? [lol]

Well he didn't grow six extra limbs and six extra eyes. They're powers adapted for a human body. They don't have to be 100% accurate to a spider.

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#36434: Jun 15th 2015 at 8:14:10 AM

I'm pretty sure a spider's anus is a separate thing from the glands that produce and expel the webbing.

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#36435: Jun 15th 2015 at 8:24:10 AM

[up]The web still comes from the spiders' rear end, not their libs. I don't thing any one actually mean "anus" when the say "ass".

TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#36436: Jun 15th 2015 at 8:57:51 AM

Regarding webs I'm fine with whatever but I'd rather either they use natural webs and incorporate a little bit of the spider totem stuff if they ever bring in another Spider (the full Spider-verse storyline isn't MCU suitable, just acknowledge that there may be something mystical behind the random scientific accident) or they have web-shooters and actually make a deal of them; maybe have him start with a fairly unsophisticated model and improve later (might be a bit of a rehash of building Electro-proof ones but they could still work it in somehow) or have note that he's struggling to afford webbing and fight strategically to minimise it.

[up][up][up]Well...

edited 15th Jun '15 9:04:22 AM by TenebrousGaze

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#36437: Jun 15th 2015 at 9:02:12 AM

They might as well introduce the totem, they've covered most of the other aspects of Spiderman at this point. It'd be difficult to make his backstory unappealing.

The first Spider-Man film was my introduction to Peter Parker and I liked the natural webbing, heck, I was a little disappointed to learn about the webshooters later, though I agree it gives more depth to Spiderman, his typical self-reliance.

I'm not sure which I'd prefer: the convenience of natural webs, or to see Peter be innovative by building webshooters, but things would get weird if Peter had to provide for himself working on a team largely sponsored by Tony Stark.

Personally, I've always favored the idea that Peter started off with web shooters, then as he got older, gained natural webbing. A vulnerability that later became a strength.

[up][up][up][up] I seem to remember a story arc where Peter actually did start transforming into an actual, giant spider, growing extra limbs first, then eventually going mad and cocooning people.

edited 15th Jun '15 4:21:54 PM by Soble

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#36438: Jun 15th 2015 at 9:05:03 AM

Wasn't there one time when a spider lady turned Peter into a giant spider and then he died and his dead giant spider body gave to birth to a human-Peter?

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#36439: Jun 15th 2015 at 9:06:12 AM

...the f'ck?

Well, I'm glad I don't remember that issue.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36440: Jun 15th 2015 at 9:06:13 AM

[up]It's true.

edited 15th Jun '15 9:27:45 AM by comicwriter

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#36441: Jun 15th 2015 at 9:14:28 AM

I think I'd sooner watch the whole MCU burn to the ground than see the "spider-totem" nonsense on film.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36442: Jun 15th 2015 at 9:28:26 AM

They might as well introduce the totem, they've covered most other aspects of Spiderman at this point. It'd be difficult to make his backstory unappealing.

Might as well do something to change things up a bit.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#36443: Jun 15th 2015 at 9:42:42 AM

They shouldn't even go into Peter's backstory and the origins of his powers at all. Just have him start the movie swinging around in costume and have him fight Mysterio or something.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#36444: Jun 15th 2015 at 9:54:32 AM

Either way, we have to establish Peter's entire supporting cast and status quo all over again.

Peter's origin at this point isn't important to storytelling, but his relationship with his aunt and the press and his job and each of his friends is important.

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#36445: Jun 15th 2015 at 9:57:16 AM

It should be web-shooters Peter invents, because that provides for more storytelling possibilities. Or at least provides easy "I'm low on web-ammo!" drama. And swapping out one type of webbing for another.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#36446: Jun 15th 2015 at 9:59:25 AM

I agree that they don't need to go over Peter's origin again — almost everyone knows it already anything. It's "bitten by a radioactive spider, uncle dies, great power, great responsibility, etc."

I think I would find it more interesting if we had a Peter in high school with Gwen Stacey and Mary Jane who both knew he was Spider-Man. And it could be sort of like the Scooby Gang from Buffy only with supervillains instead of demons.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#36447: Jun 15th 2015 at 10:05:16 AM

Well, Amazing Spider-Man never really focused on the Daily Bugle, so the MCU movie could play that aspect up to feel fresher. Heck, maybe they could make Betty Brant his love interest. I mean, really, Peter could have a different love interest for every reboot and still have love interests to spare...

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#36448: Jun 15th 2015 at 10:23:20 AM

Pete could have new girlfriends for a dozen reboots and still have love interests to spare...

edited 15th Jun '15 10:23:29 AM by KnownUnknown

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#36449: Jun 15th 2015 at 10:31:37 AM

Spidey probably has more love interests than any other character in comics, and maybe published fiction in general.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#36450: Jun 15th 2015 at 10:32:06 AM

Wolverine, Batman, She Hulk, Starfire.

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