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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#36351: Jun 11th 2015 at 12:15:26 PM

Could be interesting.

Also yeah, this probably means that we will go in a Mordo>Dormammu>???(Shuma-Gorath?) escalation in the probably 3 movies. You could actually crossover Gotg and Strange if SG is the last villain and do a Cancerverse story since he was one of The Many Angled Ones.

edited 11th Jun '15 12:20:52 PM by LordofLore

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#36352: Jun 11th 2015 at 1:17:48 PM

I just hope they don't try to cram Dormammu in as the primary antagonist in the same story that already has to devote a huge chunk of screentime to Strange's origins and development. It'd be Green Lantern all over again.

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TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Dark Eye
#36353: Jun 11th 2015 at 1:29:23 PM

I think Dormammu would be best introduced in a Bigger Bad or man behind the man type-thing. A small role in the first film would be fine but I'd rather they didn't jump to him as main villain.

Mordo, whether alone or along with another villain, is a reasonable one to start on.

edited 11th Jun '15 1:30:14 PM by TenebrousGaze

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36354: Jun 11th 2015 at 1:43:29 PM

I wonder if he's going to still be a baron here. We already got two others, both HYDRA-affiliated.

This also seems to clear up that initial report that Daniel Bruhl would be playing the villain of both Civil War AND Doctor Strange. They got their Barons confused!

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#36355: Jun 11th 2015 at 3:01:07 PM

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According to this: http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/exclusive-spoilery-mcu-details-on-civil-war-doctor-strange-ant-man-more-227

Dormammu will have a leading villain role in the Strange movie alongside Mordo. These are the guys who called Ant-Man, Vision, Wanda, and Rhodey in Civil War and the Crossbones and Falcon costumes (the latter before even AOU came out). So they're probably legit.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#36356: Jun 11th 2015 at 4:42:40 PM

Hmm.

I'm just worried he won't get much screentime if he has to share it with Strange's origin, and Mordo.

Dormammu is awesome. He can't afford to be another Malekith or Ronan.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#36357: Jun 11th 2015 at 4:57:25 PM

All they say is that Mordo and Dormammu are the main villains, and that Dormammu's followers are a major element - which could mean a lot, including that Dormammu is playing a Bigger Bad role to Mordo's Heavy.

To compare, the Emperor is the main villain of the Star Wars series, but only has what you would call a direct confrontational role in two movies.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#36359: Jun 11th 2015 at 5:35:54 PM

NVM.

edited 11th Jun '15 5:36:16 PM by KnownUnknown

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36360: Jun 11th 2015 at 7:18:35 PM

I have no real feelings about Mordo's casting. I just hope they develop him properly. Him not being entirely villainous is interesting. None of the Marvel movies have had an antagonist that isn't a straight up villain.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#36361: Jun 11th 2015 at 9:03:22 PM

What about Loki (when not in Avengers), Vanko (underused, but not completely unsympathetic), and Pierce (asshole, but Well-Intentioned Extremist with an understandable Freudian Excuse)?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36362: Jun 11th 2015 at 9:23:45 PM

Uh...I guess it depends. I mean, Loki had sympathetic motives but still tried to murder his brother and then commit genocide. He's likable and relatable but I'd definitely consider him a villain.

Pierce and Vanko definitely. Vanko being pissed off at Stark's family for ruining his life is understandable but again, he goes about it in a cartoonishly evil way, and his final plot would have had a massive body count if not for Iron Man and War Machine stopping him. Pierce is the same way. Even if he honestly believed HYDRA was creating a safer, better world (and I think he did) he still felt it was acceptable to murder a billion innocent people to do it.

They all kinda crossed the acceptable Moral Event Horizon for me.

edited 11th Jun '15 9:24:05 PM by comicwriter

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#36364: Jun 11th 2015 at 9:29:16 PM

Huh, I guess that's going to be the official poster for the movie?

DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#36365: Jun 11th 2015 at 9:53:34 PM

Baron Mordo not being entirely villainous might have some precedent in the comics. He renounced evil shortly before he died of cancer.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#36366: Jun 11th 2015 at 10:28:46 PM

...which is the best time to do so, because you don't have to answer for anything! Because you'll be fucking dead.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#36367: Jun 11th 2015 at 10:39:15 PM

It's gotta suck because realizing you're about to die a supervillain probably puts just how full of fail your life was in perspective.

Unless you're the Kingpin or Doctor Doom.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#36368: Jun 11th 2015 at 10:39:26 PM

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edited 11th Jun '15 10:40:36 PM by Anomalocaris20

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edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#36371: Jun 11th 2015 at 11:24:39 PM

Don't like the way the Civil War is so much bigger than Captain America. I mean, really? I want my third Captain America movie above every thing else. He is awesome!

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#36372: Jun 11th 2015 at 11:46:57 PM

I really hope Mordo truly isn't The Dragon - or, I guess better put, that even though he'll probably be The Dragon to Dormammu I hope he's still one of the leads of the movie, if not the major antagonist for now.

Marvel doesn't have the best track record with villains who are subjects of or even partners of other villains, Nebula being the exception.

edited 11th Jun '15 11:51:35 PM by KnownUnknown

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#36373: Jun 11th 2015 at 11:53:49 PM

Chiwetel Ejiofor is too good an actor to waste on a medium-ish part.

He'll probably be The Heavy, or he'll have a 'rival until the end where he turns (more) evil' role.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36374: Jun 12th 2015 at 5:40:34 AM

I expect Mordo will be jealous of Strange and then Dormammu will offer a Deal with the Devil. Then he'll be evil for most of the movie until Strange convinces him that they need to work together to stop him. The movie will end with Mordo free from Dormammu's control but he'll be unwilling to rejoin Strange.

edited 12th Jun '15 5:40:53 AM by Kostya

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#36375: Jun 12th 2015 at 7:12:58 AM

Totally random thought: If Ant-man turns out to be another Guardian of the Galaxy or Winter Soldier, the poster could become very symbolic. You know, standing on the shoulders of Giants, but being bigger than them by doing so.


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