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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

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#36276: Jun 10th 2015 at 9:39:21 AM

"Scratching Cap's shield easily" and "Stark-like sleek Panther jet" are my main concerns.

If Stark made the Stark-like Panther jet, that's fine, but if the movie has Panther be all, "This is my private jet that I invented myself and it's like Stark technology but it's faster and better in every way," I'm going to be displeased. That's the kind of crap he pulls in the comics.

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#36277: Jun 10th 2015 at 9:41:02 AM

It makes sense that he'd scratch the shield since his claws are made of the same stuff. And considering for years Wakanda built the Avengers' Quinjets that's really not that big a deal. He's always had vehicles that were very advanced and shared them with his teammates.

Unless they drastically change his origins he'd have no reason to need Tony to build him a plane.

edited 10th Jun '15 9:44:40 AM by comicwriter

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#36278: Jun 10th 2015 at 9:47:44 AM

For years, Wakanda has done many things as overcompensation. That's my point. Panther is frequently depicted as a shitty character who establishes himself just by going, "Hey, white guys, look at how well I beat you at everything you do! I'm the best superhero!"

Wakanda has all the vibranium, Wakanda had the cure for cancer, Wakanda is a futuristic science-driven super-utopia, and their ruler is the best engineer in the setting and the best scientist and has more knowledge of mysticism than the greatest sorcerers and is also the greatest fighter in the world and can outmuscle the Silver Surfer with wrestling moves and....

Black Panther defines himself by just going, "Hey, white characters, what do you do? Well, I do that BETTER." He has no character niche. He has no identity. He just hangs around constantly reminding everyone that his dick is bigger than any white character's.

edited 10th Jun '15 9:49:00 AM by TobiasDrake

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#36279: Jun 10th 2015 at 9:48:45 AM

I just had a thought...what if the "new villain" Cap has to deal with is either Black Panther? Or a Black Panther villain who is revealed to be behind what whatever happens in the movie at the very end and then comes back in Black Panther?

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#36280: Jun 10th 2015 at 9:49:43 AM

[up]x4 Perhaps it's the Wakandan equivalent to Air Force One and represents the work of the best and brightest Wakandan engineers using the considerable resources Wakanda has at it's disposal rather than a personal project of Black Panther.

Black Panther's niche would in part be having the full power of an entire nation behind him. That's not something any of the other Avengers have.

edited 10th Jun '15 9:50:54 AM by Falrinn

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#36281: Jun 10th 2015 at 9:51:56 AM

I love how Sue-ish T'Challa was in Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes. Rather than annoying, I found it super hilarious.

"You should try more chaos theory, and less failure."

Anyway, yeah. They should try to avoid that in the film - but from those previews I don't really see anything that gives me that impression yet. I sounds like they're going to do a thing where T'Challa is an antagonist in the first part, but only due to circumstance, before having a "Heel–Face Turn" (in the sense that Cap is the main character, and thus his side would be the "face." The morality itself will likely be a bit shaky) or perhaps a Heel-"this fight is going too far for me"-Turn.

He's got a Panther-Plane. They're going full Batman, folks. grin

edited 10th Jun '15 9:52:21 AM by KnownUnknown

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#36282: Jun 10th 2015 at 9:52:12 AM

[up][up][up][up]You're extrapolating an awful lot from like two sentences. Literally all it says is he has a cool jet and scratches the shield not that he hijacks the movie and makes everyone else look incompetent.

There's a middle ground between complete Mary Sue mode and "He needs Tony Stark to build his tech and wipe his ass for him".

edited 10th Jun '15 9:52:55 AM by comicwriter

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#36283: Jun 10th 2015 at 9:54:34 AM

It's not about hijacking the movie. As noted, he didn't have a lot of screentime in the EMH cartoon but he certainly made it memorable. Even if he only appears for five minutes of screentime, if that five seconds are spent going, "Tony, your equipment is all shit, I fixed it for you. Also, Thor, your enchantments haven't been properly maintained, you clearly are on the dumbf*ck side of mysticism, here's some rituals you can do to repair that. See you guys next movie!" then he's still an annoying character to have around.

It's not the quantity, it's the quality.

EDIT: It's the description of the plane as "Starklike" that gets me. If it's Starklike, it should be Stark designed. I don't want him showing up and being like, "Oh, you white guys finally caught up, good on you. Yeah, we had Arc Reactors 80 years ago."

edited 10th Jun '15 9:56:42 AM by TobiasDrake

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#36284: Jun 10th 2015 at 9:56:05 AM

So then Giant-Man WON'T show up in Ant-Man. I kinda thought the climax of the film would have Lang realize the suit works in reverse and using that to defeat Yellowjacket, or something along those lines.

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#36285: Jun 10th 2015 at 10:00:58 AM

Stark-like is probably just short-hand for super advanced. That doesn't necessarily mean Tony had to build it. Again you're the one bringing in this idea of him mocking Tony and saying white people are stupid. Literally nowhere in that description does it say that.

[up]They might still hint at it in the movie.

edited 10th Jun '15 10:02:25 AM by comicwriter

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#36286: Jun 10th 2015 at 10:03:10 AM

That's fair. But I don't want to see an Arc Reactor on that thing if it's not Stark technology.

I don't want the Arc Reactor to be the MCU's Cure for Cancer. "Free, clean energy? We had that decades ago, but we never shared it with the world because we think the rest of you can go f*ck yourselves for not being as glorious as Wakanda."

edited 10th Jun '15 10:03:39 AM by TobiasDrake

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#36287: Jun 10th 2015 at 10:06:25 AM

Variety has an article on Civil War's marketing from the Licensing Expo this week.

Among other things it sounds like they want to finally put a greater focus on some of the other heroes (as opposed to just the 6 movie Avengers) and try to market more to women.

“We’ll see an extension mixing in new characters with new skills,” he added. “There will also be a big focus on adult female apparel.”

“Captain America: Civil War” opens May 6 with Chris Evans as Steve Rogers/Captain America along with Robert Downey Jr., Scarlett Johansson, Sebastian Stan, Anthony Mackie, Emily Vancamp, Don Cheadle, Jeremy Renner, Chadwick Boseman, Paul Bettany, Elizabeth Olsen, Paul Rudd, Frank Grillo, William Hurt and Daniel Bruhl.

The campaign will feature a celebration of Captain America’s 75th anniversary that will be limited to higher-end retailers. There will also be focus on newer characters War Machine, Falcon, Vision, Black Widow and Black Panther.

“The Avengers team is both aspirational and hugely merchandisable, made up of multiple, unique heroes coming together with amazing skills, cool vehicles and a high tech headquarters,” Gitter said. “‘Captain America: Civil War’ not only gives us new storytelling for our favorite superheroes, but also introduces new ones allowing us to expand product lines for kids and fans.”

Odd they call Black Widow and War Machine "newer" but I guess they just mean not the "Big 4" Avengers.

edited 10th Jun '15 10:07:07 AM by comicwriter

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#36288: Jun 10th 2015 at 10:10:36 AM

@Ant-Man and Hawkeye: A homage to this old cover?

Edit:[up]Maybe BW will finally get to ride a bike in the toys also this time?

edited 10th Jun '15 10:11:42 AM by LordofLore

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#36289: Jun 10th 2015 at 10:11:51 AM

[up][up][up]What if it's strengths are mostly the result of incorporating better materials in it's design? Wakanda has been working with Vibranium for a very long time, they should have more than a fancy suit made out of it.

edited 10th Jun '15 10:12:28 AM by Falrinn

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#36290: Jun 10th 2015 at 10:12:10 AM

I wonder how much they practiced that? Ant-Man's added weight would require adjustment on Hawkeye's aim.

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#36291: Jun 10th 2015 at 10:13:14 AM

[up][up][up]That's what I'm thinking. I'm super hyped for this now.

I wonder what the new Ant-Man suit will look like.

Maybe BW will finally get to ride a bike in the toys also this time?

Heh.

edited 10th Jun '15 10:14:00 AM by comicwriter

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#36292: Jun 10th 2015 at 10:17:59 AM

An overabundance of and experience working with Vibranium is Wakanda's big advantage. As long as they're willing to stick to that, I'm okay with it.

But I am approaching this with teeth bared because I've been burned by this character so much in the past. Black Panther is typically a blight on any comic he appears in, so his adaptation doesn't get quite as much benefit of the doubt as others have from me.

There aren't a lot of characters I have this kind of disdain for. Hyperion's the only other one that comes to mind off the top of my head. The Avengers don't need a Superman.

edited 10th Jun '15 10:21:54 AM by TobiasDrake

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#36293: Jun 10th 2015 at 10:24:08 AM

Feel disdain for The Sentry? Be happy Bendis is off the Avengers books or he would probably make him return.

edited 10th Jun '15 10:24:46 AM by LordofLore

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#36294: Jun 10th 2015 at 10:27:45 AM

Honestly, I didn't think Sentry was that bad, just overused. If Bendis hadn't shoved him down the audience's throat quite so much and maybe refrained from hammering in that whole "Power of a thousand exploding suns!" thing, Sentry could have worked.

Besides, Hickman isn't an improvement.

edited 10th Jun '15 10:28:55 AM by TobiasDrake

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#36295: Jun 10th 2015 at 10:31:13 AM

I thought everyone hated the Sentry. And what Tobias said reminds me, has Tony actually made his Arc Reactor tech publicly available? Like, to solve the energy crisis or something? Seems to me he could do a lot more good for the world by spreading his absurdly advanced technology than by trying to institute a robotic world police at his beck and call.

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#36296: Jun 10th 2015 at 10:32:26 AM

He alluded in Avengers that he was attempting to produce arc reactor technology on a larger scale. He powered Stark Tower on an arc reactor as sort of a prototype or proof of concept, and mentioned to Banner that, "I'm kind of the only name in clean energy right now."

We haven't heard anything of it since, however.

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#36297: Jun 10th 2015 at 10:33:16 AM

Well, we do know that he powered Stark Tower through arc reactor technology. Presumably, he's trying to do the same for other places.

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#36298: Jun 10th 2015 at 10:38:52 AM

What does Stark Ind. actually do now that they don't sell weapons?

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#36299: Jun 10th 2015 at 10:40:19 AM

Whatever Tony feels like that day.

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#36300: Jun 10th 2015 at 10:43:10 AM

Sit on their asses, I guess.

In the comics, this was eventually dealt with by having Stark go into electronics. The new Starkphone is all the rage and frequently gets referenced in other people's comics; Kid Loki, for instance, had a lot of fun with his Starkphone.

The movies haven't yet seen fit to answer this very glaring issue. As the Mad Money guy pointed out way back in the first Iron Man movie, they're a weapons company that doesn't make weapons. Pepper's apparently very busy running the company in Iron Man 2, so they must be making something.

Stark told Stane in the first movie that he wanted to focus more on the Arc Reactor, so they might be doing that, but if it's still in the prototype stage as far forward as Avengers, I don't know what they could be doing that's kept Pepper so busy running the company.

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